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Eurovision 2016

T0M posted:
Also, Spain's stand in wasn't too great...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i8wWaGdn6I


You can see the CuePilot burned in shot number in that video. Makes it very easy for the delegations to pin point shots that they think could be improved.
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BBC Breakfast

noggin posted:
a516 posted:
During the Olympics...
...BBC Sport and BBC News will join forces to bring a special edition of BBC Breakfast. The famous sofa will move home and come live from the centre of BBC Sport’s hub to bring viewers all the highlights and extended Games coverage every day from 6am.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/rio/tv


Surely this means that Breakfast will be coming from a/the BBC Sport studio in Rio. The 'centre of BBC Sport's hub' I take to read their set-up in Rio. This reflects the approach taken in London 2012. I'm not sure the BBC would make a big thing about the sofa moving to another space in Salford Quays...

The BBC don't have anything called a 'Sport hub' in Salford AFAIK - and the permanent sport studios in the BBC buildings (that the BBC own and have access to when they want) are not really suitable for Breakfast. The large studio used for Match of the Day, Football Focus etc. is not permanently booked out to BBC Sport (as historically TC5 was at TV Centre), it is a normal set-strike studio in Dock 10 (so it can be used for other shows at times BBC Sport haven't booked the studio) The cost of paying for this for the duration of the Olympics would be significant - and for what purpose?



*** EDIT - I was obviously totally wrong. Breakfast are moving into the BBC Sport Hub two floors down for the duration of the Olympics it seems. Presumably this is to allow better integration with the BBC Sport operation. Wonder if this is to move them to a more EVS and manually operated highlights operation, rather than using Mosart and Quantel? ***
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Olympics 2016

harshy posted:
Yes but we won't get 4K olympics or euros, Sky as usual too late.


I thought that there were only 8K tests in Rio 2016 (as there were at London 2012) - and no 4K ? OBS stayed with 1080i for Rio AIUI.
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Olympics 2016

dosxuk posted:
The main problem is there is still no agreed standard for 4K transmission. The broadcasters have all been working on 8K, which has an agreed track to and timescale for its standards. 4K only exists because the market for 3D TVs ran out and the display manufacturers needed a new gimmick, but 8K isn't ready.

Without standards in place, there's no guarantee that kit bought today will be capable of receiving 4K broadcasts next week, let alone when actual transmissions start. The current services are all reliant on proprietary solutions and configurations (fine when you're in control of the whole signal path, not when you want to ensure interoperability).


There is a UHD1 DVB standard kit of parts isn't there - just as there are SD and HD kits of parts (you can chose whether you use MPEG2, H264, H265 for video, MP2, AC3, AAC etc. for audio etc.) This is based around 2160/50p SDR in Europe?

HDR and 100/120p are likely to be later updates?
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Olympics 2016

derek500 posted:
The BBC are currently testing UHD on Astra 19.2, so there's a bit of spare cash floating around.


It's presumably a test transmission for the BBC/NHK Hybrid Log Gamma HDR system (as it is flagged HLG) ?

Probably aimed at a symposium or convention to demonstrate it's suitability as a live broadcast format - working to both SDR and HDR receivers?

The BBC have demoed HDR and SDR displays fed by HLG signals in local tests - so DVB-S2 stuff makes sense.
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Olympics 2016

Well - that shows how much I know Smile
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This Morning

Whataday posted:
noggin posted:
ITN provides ITV News's network newsgathering - and that's a commercial agreement. If ITV Studios want to use ITN facilities for This Morning then that will presumably have a cost (either through an uplift to the ITN contract to provide ITV News if This Morning were added, or an ad hoc charge on a per-use basis) ITN outsource a lot (all?) of their truck provision anyway don't they - and for This Morning to use them they'd either need to remove a truck from the ITN pool used for ITV News or be reporting on a story in the same location as ITN had deployed one of their trucks?


I was thinking more of ITV News Group rather than ITN. (ie the regional news operations).


I suspect most ITV News regions only have one or two SNG trucks available to them (depending on the number of sub-regions) - and I'd expect them to be using more and more 3G/4G backpack cameras these days. The huge cost savings involved in avoiding a truck mean the push in that direction is becoming unavoidable. Of course if they don't deploy for lunchtime then This Morning might be able to bring a crew in - but arranging for that 'on the day' could be tricky.
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This Morning

HenryL96 posted:
How would they have managed the link on Tuesday to Spain? Would that not have been exactly the same just with more time to prepare? Because they had a full set up then?


Not having seen it I can't say - but some stories are set-up in advance (either because they are produced and set-up by This Morning or are 'diary' stories that you know about in advance for a given date). If that were the case - then you could send a producer and possibly some crew, or hire locally, and set up an SNG truck should it be deemed that level of insert I'd guess.
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This Morning

Whataday posted:
They probably don't have a budget for OBs so have to make do with what they can. If This Morning is going to tackle serious news stories regularly they should be able to utilise ITV News' resources.


Though ITV News doesn't have that many resources does it ? ITV News really only has the regional stuff doesn't it?

ITN provides ITV News's network newsgathering - and that's a commercial agreement. If ITV Studios want to use ITN facilities for This Morning then that will presumably have a cost (either through an uplift to the ITN contract to provide ITV News if This Morning were added, or an ad hoc charge on a per-use basis) ITN outsource a lot (all?) of their truck provision anyway don't they - and for This Morning to use them they'd either need to remove a truck from the ITN pool used for ITV News or be reporting on a story in the same location as ITN had deployed one of their trucks?

The reality is that This Morning are presumably using Skype, FaceTime and 3G/4G LiveU/WMT-style links to allow them to offer something better than a sound-only phone call on a topical story? Sure they could try and deploy an OB truck - but these days, for a single camera live, a 3G/4G backpack (or even a mobile phone with video calling) solution is probably a faster-turnaround solution and logistically more practical?
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BBC Breakfast

Rkolsen posted:
Brekkie posted:
DTV posted:
But one of the advantages of the new 'series' of news sets is they'll probably be 'in date' and in line with London a lot longer than any of previous designs as not only will W1 not have the money for new sets, but due to the lack of any TC7/10/11 to decamp to it'll be an absolute arse-ache putting in any new sets. This will hopefully mean that we won't see new regional sets being put in just months before a national rebrand, like that horrible Midlands Today set.

Although I agree no new news sets would be on the horizons (though they are now 4 years old) I don't think a refit would be anymore complex than a TV Centre. They'd just have to rejig who used what to free up whichever studio they're refurbishing at the time, and based on recent revamps they'd be happy enough to unrole it in phases so it's not like they'd have to revamp all studios in one go.

I imagine they could do some of the shows at NBH from an insert studio when they have no guests - or if they do throw them in a different one and do a two box. OR what about Milbank?


This has happened before. The BBC ran with one fewer studio when BBC London moved out of their original NBH studio before their new studio was ready.

They did a mix of using a single camera CSO studio (like was used for 60 Seconds and Weather) for their Breakfast bulletins, and the larger VR studio for their main bulletins I think. It's not perfect, but with a bit of jiggling I think you could probably run the building without one studio - though the big problems would be The Andrew Marr Show and Sunday Politics if they had to leave the large studio. (Milbank would be the obvious home for Sunday Politics, and Marr would work OK as an OB - though would cost)
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BBC Breakfast

a516 posted:
During the Olympics...
...BBC Sport and BBC News will join forces to bring a special edition of BBC Breakfast. The famous sofa will move home and come live from the centre of BBC Sport’s hub to bring viewers all the highlights and extended Games coverage every day from 6am.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/rio/tv


Surely this means that Breakfast will be coming from a/the BBC Sport studio in Rio. The 'centre of BBC Sport's hub' I take to read their set-up in Rio. This reflects the approach taken in London 2012. I'm not sure the BBC would make a big thing about the sofa moving to another space in Salford Quays...

The BBC don't have anything called a 'Sport hub' in Salford AFAIK - and the permanent sport studios in the BBC buildings (that the BBC own and have access to when they want) are not really suitable for Breakfast. The large studio used for Match of the Day, Football Focus etc. is not permanently booked out to BBC Sport (as historically TC5 was at TV Centre), it is a normal set-strike studio in Dock 10 (so it can be used for other shows at times BBC Sport haven't booked the studio) The cost of paying for this for the duration of the Olympics would be significant - and for what purpose?
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Olympics 2016

VMPhil posted:
Technically they do, and it's on round the year, called BBC Red Button 1.


But Red Button 1 is (quite low quality) SD-only - and I can't imagine them wanting to put Rio 2016 coverage out SD-only.