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NOW TV

eladkse posted:
noggin posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
Sky need to look at themselves square in the face, watching BT Sport on the NOW TV App in 4K it's gorgeous, showing up all the negatives of Sky Sports on NOW TV, even more galling is that this is a Sky platform I'm watching on.


They can't make NowTV too good - they need to be able to charge more for SkyQ still. Introducing 50fps streams has made that trickier. BT Sport is different as it's platform agnostic?


Indeed. BT's model nowadays is to sell as many subscriptions as possible, by providing their service on every platform they can reasonably support.

Even NowTV via BT TV (which is ultimately a service encoded and distributed by BT themselves) is better than regular NowTV, as it has 50fps for all the channels instead of just the handful of Sports ones.


Do BT distribute them as multicast services like their own TV channels ? I guess if they are encoding them themselves they do - rather than streaming the OTT feeds as unicast?
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NOW TV

DVB Cornwall posted:
Sky need to look at themselves square in the face, watching BT Sport on the NOW TV App in 4K it's gorgeous, showing up all the negatives of Sky Sports on NOW TV, even more galling is that this is a Sky platform I'm watching on.


They can't make NowTV too good - they need to be able to charge more for SkyQ still. Introducing 50fps streams has made that trickier. BT Sport is different as it's platform agnostic?
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Coronation Street

JAS84 posted:
Never made sense that Granada made it, then sold it to the BBC instead of airing it themselves.


That's not how most UK TV shows work. Granada didn't make it then sell it to the BBC, Granada will have been commissioned by the BBC to make it.

Granada may have funded some initial development work in order to pitch it to the BBC - but the actual show will have only been made because the BBC paid Granada to make it for them.

There are acquisitions - where a show is made for someone else, then bought by a broadcaster (this is how most US productions, and a lot of the BBC Four Nordic Noir stuff gets onto UK channels).

There are co-productions - where multiple broadcasters and production companies agree to co-fund the production of a show (this is different to buying it after it's been made)

There are commissions - where a broadcaster pays a production company to makes a show for them, and owns some of the rights to that show for a fixed period of time, before they revert to the production company. In the UK - when you see a 'XXYY production for the BBC/ITV/C4/C5' on the end board - that is almost certainly a commission from the BBC/ITV/C4/C5. (*)

In some cases co-productions can be commissions.

(*) Some BBC shows like Mastermind, Songs of Praise etc. are exceptions to this - as they are BBC formats that the BBC has tendered to third party producers. The independent production company will not retain any rights to the shows and are just paid as 'producers for hire' to make them, with the BBC retaining all rights.
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Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

DVB Cornwall posted:
New Executive Supervisor Martin Österdahl announces changes to the rules for 2021, facilitating a contest of any sort in case of difficulties and also enabling any number of backing singers to perform on the background track in addition to or replacing the in person staged backing component of the act .





So ESC moves ever nearer Melodifestivalen... It was inevitable as in recent years the rules have been heavily relaxed to allow processed vocals (like on Norway's entry a couple of years ago) to be pre-recorded.

Good that they have added a lead vocal melody exception. (So ghost leads will still have to be live)
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BBC Breakfast - 16th July onwards

Charlie Wells posted:
Brekkie posted:
I think though the mocks here have shown they could do more with the space they do have in Salford - might not be amazing but it would certainly be an upgrade.

Probably worth mentioning this mock in particular https://tvforum.uk/thegallery/bbc-breakfast-studio-refresh-45539. I imagine like most things it comes down to money, and considering the BBC is reportedly looking for voluntary redundancies in news I can't imagine such big changes happening in the near future.


Yes - all employees of the BBC's Public Service divisions (which includes News) have been asked to express an interest in voluntary redundancy. The BBC have to save £125m this year. (Delaying the re-introduction of licence fees for Over-75s not on pension credit during lockdown is costing ~£40m/month I believe)

That said - Breakfast's set is based on plasmas, which are no longer made. If they start failing they will need to do something. (LCDs are really not a good substitute as they still look terrible off-axis)
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Coronavirus - Impact on live/recorded shows

Brekkie posted:
I think Strictly could be interesting as they're being forced to think about things, and ideas like having a table cabaret style set or filming at locations, rather than in the studio, aren't actually bad ideas at all and could freshen things up and remain in place once this is all thankfully over.


There have been rumblings about table-seated audience for Strictly as a way of ensuring social distancing (though I suspect they'd still need people sitting at each table to be in their own 'bubble' and that could be very difficult to manage in reality)

The big issue is going to be setting and lighting if crew have to stay 2m separated, plus working on some equipment like Technocranes where some crew often need to be closer than that.

Plus the obvious hair, make-up and wardrobe challenges (fitting costumes would be challenging on a show like Strictly if wardrobe have to remain 2m from talent)

Testing is likely to be part of the solution I guess (as long as we have the capacity). It's going to be challenging for all TV production for sure.

A number of West End theatres appear to be abandoning any plans for performances this year entirely - as they don't think social distancing for an audience is feasible or financially viable AIUI.
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Good Morning Britain in 2020

chris posted:
noggin posted:
chris posted:

Nothing Piers said was inaccurate? Did you need him to quote the Radio 3 listening figures too?


The thing is - it was inaccurate and misleading. When ratings and 'highest rated' shows are discussed in the UK, and in the popular press in particular, they always refer to audience volume (i.e. how many people watched the show - usually as an average across the show, but sometimes peak figures are quoted). When Strictly is described as having massive ratings - they aren't ever referring to share, they are always referring to volume.

To use 'highest rated' to mean 'having the highest share' IS misleading and inaccurate in the accepted use in the UK of the term ratings. Your average person reading that tweet would be, incorrectly, left with the impression that more people watched GMB than any other ITV programme that day. That's misleading. (A nice tabloid trick though...)


I agree share isn’t the best way to measure ratings - if everyone was watching Netflix bar one person a show could get 100% share.

But I was more questioning why you felt Piers needed to quote Breakfast’s figures too? As I said in my post, I don’t get the continual need to try and shoot down any success GMB is having.


I guess it's because I think a lot of people would read that post and automatically think that GMB is beating Breakfast and that the most successful 0600-0900 show was GMB (after all it was 'ITV's highest rated show' according to Piers, I think most people would assume reading that it had beaten Breakfast if it was ITV's highest rated show that day. They could easily assume it had beaten EastEnders too...).

Personally I'm not a huge fan of misleading your audience, on-screen or off.

I don't think he has to tweet Breakfast's share and volume (both of which are still a long way ahead of GMB's) - but I did think the ratings facts for Tuesday were needed here to put the tweet into context, and I think increasingly his tweets on ratings do feel a bit desperate.
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Good Morning Britain in 2020

chris posted:

Nothing Piers said was inaccurate? Did you need him to quote the Radio 3 listening figures too?


The thing is - it was inaccurate and misleading. When ratings and 'highest rated' shows are discussed in the UK, and in the popular press in particular, they always refer to audience volume (i.e. how many people watched the show - usually as an average across the show, but sometimes peak figures are quoted). When Strictly is described as having massive ratings - they aren't ever referring to share, they are always referring to volume.

To use 'highest rated' to mean 'having the highest share' IS misleading and inaccurate in the accepted use in the UK of the term ratings. Your average person reading that tweet would be, incorrectly, left with the impression that more people watched GMB than any other ITV programme that day. That's misleading. (A nice tabloid trick though...)
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Good Morning Britain in 2020

Andrew posted:
Audience shares are always higher for breakfast time, as you can see Breakfast was near enough BBC One's highest share programme and will be often.

Audiences are obviously less spread out at that time of day, in peak viewers have many more options.


Yes - Breakfast and The One O'Clock news both getting >40% is still a very strong performance.
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Good Morning Britain in 2020

Interesting definition of 'ratings'.

Piers failed to mention Breakfast got a 40.8% share yesterday I see.

GMB got 800k. ITV's top rated show - by the conventional definition of audience volume (i.e. the most people watching) - was the 1800 ITV Regional News at 3.5m, with ITV's second highest rated show the 1830 Evening News at 3.0m.

8 of the top 10 'top rated' shows yesterday were on BBC One :

6.1m/31.4% Salisbury Murders
5.3m/35.2% BBC 1830 regional news
4.7m/31.3% BBC News at Ten
4.6m/31.8% BBC News at Six
3.9m/25.6% The One Show
3.7m/23.0% EastEnders
3.5m/24.4% ITV 1800 regional news
3.4m/26.9% BBC 2230 regional news
3.0m/40.2% BBC News at One
3.0m/20.0% ITV Evening News at 1800
Last edited by noggin on 17 June 2020 11:45am - 3 times in total
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International Weather Coverage

Brekkie posted:
Looks gorgeous. Surprised weather presenting has very much remained in 2D when it seems an obvious contender to move to a 3D environment.


I guess the reality is that most map-based presentation is still best delivered on a flat projection though - as that is how people recognise their areas. I notice that there is a virtual screen carrying a flat map for that in the new 3D environment - so the bulk of the presentation of geographic data is still effectively 2D?
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Where in the world are new TV studios being built?

Jonwo posted:
Bovingdon is another newish studio, it's where they film Dancing on Ice and The Masked Singer.


I think it's pushing it to describe Bovingdon as a TV studio. It's a 4-waller.