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BBC World News from New Broadcasting House

The BBC also has a system of internal attachments, where staff can apply to do another job for a short period of time (not longer than two years, usually a few months). It's great for staff to get experience in order to get better equipped for full time promotion, and useful for departments to cover maternity leave etc. Quite a lot of regional staff start on attachment to network before making the move permanently.


So that's what Ben Bland meant when he tendered his "resignation". I didn't understand why he would return to Look East.


Yes - in theory the maximum duration of an 'attachment' is two years, and in theory you should return for a decent period of time after this before applying for another attachment.

If there is no substantive job for you (i.e. a permanent position) at the end of your attachment (or if you decide you don't want to stay on), then you return to your previous job, which should have been held open for you (unless that post closed whilst you were away). The people covering the post you left are likely themselves to be on attachment (in some cases someone from the same centre whos is more junior 'acting-up', or in others a similarly qualified person from another BBC centre who fancies a change of scene) or on short-term contracts.

It can create quite a chain - but equally is a very good way of giving people some variety, or some experience in a different job that will benefit them on their return.

However if you've been on attachment in a more senior role, returning to your junior role after a lengthy period of time can be quite a difficult prospect, hence some people chose to leave rather than return.

Attachments are offered for a number of reasons including covering other people who have gone on attachments themselves, covering people who have taken a sabbatical, covering maternity leave or long-term sickness, allowing staff to work on special projects away from their normal job (such as planning special events etc.), covering 'dual working' when a region is re-locating etc.
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Location Location Location

Not quite the same topic, but I always find it a bit unusual that BBC Radio Lancashire is in Blackburn, when I'd expect it to be based in Lancaster or Preston


Originally launched as BBC Radio Blackburn broadcasting to mainly East Lancashire.

Same with Radio Kent which was based in Chatham for years, that was originally Radio Medway.

It's now in Tunbridge Wells, which isn't that obvious a town for a regional centre either


No - Maidstone, Canterbury and Ashford all spring to mind as obvious locations, and in another way so does Dover.

(TVS based their South East studios (still running as Maidstone Studios) near Maidstone, and Southern had a small production operation in Dover)

Also Meridian's studios in Newbury and New Hythe spring to mind as slightly non-obvious locations (though New Hythe is quite close to Maidstone, and Newbury is a reasonably big town in that part of the Meridian sub-regions)
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BBC World News from New Broadcasting House


How does one advance in the regions to network or World? Is it like in the US where you start out small and work your way up or do people regularly get picked from smaller regions (assuming they're up to par)?


I think it's less 'commercial' than the US where lots of reporters and presenters have reasonably pushy agent representation. It's also very easy to see BBC regional reporters in Network offices (as the off-air recordings are available daily to all staff - at least at the BBC - who can be bothered to watch) and on satellite (we can all watch any BBC region).

Reality is that I suspect sometimes a reporter will send off a showreel link to a channel controller or editor, or if they have an agent, their agent might. Alternatively a BBC 'boss' might see someone presenting when working around the UK and think they have something about them, or they may ask someone to do a trawl of the regions to see who is good when they need to try out a few new faces.

It's not unusual for network presenters to have started in the regions : Sophi Raworth was at Look North Leeds, Jane Hill at South Today Southampton, Fiona Bruce at Newsroom SouthEast Elstree.

Historically the BBC South East/London region often used to prove to be a good source for quick presenter cover (as they were seen by network bosses during the regional news in London, and geographically it was convenient for short notice cover). BBC Spotlight Plymouth also proved a major training ground in earlier days (Jill Dando, Sue Lawley, Angela Rippon I think all came in via that route)

To be honest I'm not sure there is a hard and fast rule.
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The Nightly Show

I think the reality is that the US talk show formats really don't work over here. (I don't think many of us really understand why they work in the US to be honest...)

They've been tried, and tried, and tried in the UK - both rebroadcasts of the US versions and home-grown facsimiles.

Graham Norton was 'discovered' when he stood in for Jack Docherty on the early Channel 5 attempt at a nightly chat show, and shone. However when he tried to do a daily show, it didn't really work, and the element of Norton that works (as it did on Parkinson) was co-ordinating guests together. You can do that on a weekly show, but not on a nightly show.

I think Ally hit the nail on the head. Don't judge US shows by the good bits you see on YouTube...

Also - if you look at the major successes in US evening talk shows, their hosts are not, at least initially, more famous than their guests, and are there because they are usually comedians (and/or quick-witted writers) who add something by their presence to the interview, but don't deflect. However the nature of daily shows is that they are nearly universally vehicles of promotion - movies, music releases, books etc. - and making something interesting out of a promo opportunity is not easy. ITV seem to be throwing staff at the show - maybe they have too many cooks?
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The Nightly Show


Do who know who the other six hosts are?


Mel and Sue have been promo-ed I thnk.
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BBC Scotland to launch new channel

The folk in the Metro believe there is some link between the so called Second Indy ref and this draft idea.

Ye p - my first thought was that this is BBC Scotland repositioning itself to become the SBC post-referendum AND to counter some independence supporters claims that the BBC is the EBC...
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BBC Scotland to launch new channel

Something that's needed is an assessment as to where on Freeview this is going to go. The only place I can think is space vacated in the evening by removing the broadcast red button service during the BBC Scotland broadcast hours.

It looks to be mainly PSB1 for that matter - but bandwidth has been constrained. In Scotland - you have the usual 7 BBC streams, plus BBC Alba which eats on BBC Radio service airtime in Scotland (Radio 1, 2, 3, World Service, Radio Nan Gaidheal).

I'm suspecting that it could be another cutback to the BBC Radio roster - though in recent years they've made better use of compression techniques to fit in the other stations including Radio 4 and 1Xtra. However I'm suspicious. Their mux capacity is full, and it may be a serviceable move to either reduce bitrates or reduce hours on the other stations.


Converting PSB 1 to DVB-T2 would work technically, just not politically !


I wonder if they'll do something 'clever' in advance of DVB-T2 switch over, like making one of the existing DVB-T SD and DVB-T2 HD services HD-only to make space for BBC Scotland on PSB1, or whether they will make it a T2-only service (a bit like RTE in Northern Ireland?) and put it in the 6Mbs spare capacity on PSB3 in Scotland only?

I think making PSB1 T2 in Scotland sooner rather than later would have 'issues'...

Alternatively they could look at how they use post-2100 CBBC SD, and Red Button SD capacity creatively? (Though post-2100 CBBC HD capacity has been advertised ISTR - so that makes things more complicated)
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BBC Scotland to launch new channel

m7891 posted:

Good luck seeing anything from the eastern counties on match of the day.


So none of those teams enter the FA Cup?

The point is, that English football rights are paid for from a "national" BBC Sport budget, while Scottish football rights are paid for from the BBC Scotland budget. That means comparing the budget of an English region with that of BBC Scotland is like comparing apples with oranges.

Ok, I may be a bit thick here, but I have a couple of questions. I realise I may just be oversimplifying things, but it all looks pretty straightforward to me. Why couldn't the BBC:

1. Pay for all sport from the BBC Sport budget? It does seem odd how things are currently funded. It's only 'pots' of money, it all comes from the same source overall. Surely sport is sport, no matter how large the audience?


I think the argument for the current situation isn't based on audience side, but content availability.

The FA Cup and Premiership highlights are broadcast to the whole of the UK. It therefore makes sense that they are funded from a central pot.

The Scottish football stuff shown on Sportscene is only broadcast, I believe, on BBC services within Scotland. (Sure, if you have satellite, you can currently watch out-of-region and out-of-nation services - but if you are on Freeview, and possibly Cable?, you can't. ) As such I can see the logic in funding it from BBC Scotland's budget, as it is for Scottish audiences only. AIUI BBC Scotland itself has decided to purchase those rights for Scottish viewers, not a UK-wide audience. As such surely the funding should come from moneys allocated to Scottish audiences?

If the Scottish football was networked - I could see the argument for the national BBC Sport department funding it. In the current situation I can totally understand the reasoning behind it.

Of course you could re-allocate the money from BBC Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, give it to the nationwide, network, BBC Sport department and let them fund it instead, but what would the point be? It would simply remove some autonomy from the nations sport departments?
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ITV abandons the South Bank

So is TLS considered a different facility to where GMB / This Morning etc are currently produced?


Yes and No.

Both operations are 'run' by TLS - but the reality is that the ITV Daytime studios are set-standing most of the time so can only be marketed for a few external clients.

The bulk of what is referred to as TLS - and the bit that is closing - are the studios that are not permanently bought out and have regular set-strike shows - like Norton, Last Leg etc.
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Eurovision 2017


Didn't Ukraine actually remove all their visa requirements for EU citizens the same month of the 2005 contest, and then just decided to make it permanent? The only two countries since then to require visas have been Russia (2009) and Azerbaijan (2012). Not sure what the situation was in the early noughties with the likes of Estonia and Latvia, neither were in the EU at the time.


Yep - Ukraine lifted visa requirements for the 2005 contest, and I think you're right that they didn't reimpose them afterwards. The airport was swamped - they ended up with queues in the car park, and baggage scanning either in the booking hall or car park (I can't remember now)
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Netflix Originals

I took it to mean a show that Netflix commissioned or co-produced, or otherwise provided some up-front funding for. In other words it is an original production Netflix has some involvement in (though this doesn't mean exclusively)

However Designated Survivor appears to be a straight acquisition (for Netflix distribution outside North America?) - though it could be that acquisition was an up-front deal?
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TVS Post-1993


It's the same as, say, Gold. They don't play the BBC master tapes, they have their own versions in their own library and they'll be labeled 'UK Gold', 'UKTV' or whatever branding or name used when the copy/edit was made


Off-topic - but that explains why UKTV continue to TX older versions of shows that have since been remastered? (Though I'm not sure what happens to shows remastered with BBC WW funding - and whether the remasters are then just the property of BBC WW or become available for general sales use. I'm thinking of the HD Joan Hickson Miss Marples for instance)