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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

BBC News graphics woes have continued for most of the day with the BBC News Viz-generated box logo during the TOTH titles and out of breaks in miniature form.


Has this coincided with the 'Channel of the year' addition ?
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

According to an old post from Inspector Sands (http://tvforum.uk/thenewsroom/nationwide-39220/ ) Guildford does/did have a facility that worked into a microwave receiver on Crystal Palace.

That was how the original DTL facility in Nottingham, before East Midlands Today was established, worked too, into the masthead receiver at Sutton Coldfield. (see http://tx.mb21.co.uk/features/coldfield/18.shtml)


Similar techniques were used for the Ipswich and Luton DTL positions I believe (microwave into a receive point also probably used for terrestrial FRV links)

I think very few of these circuits are still in use as they were PAL composite. These days an IP encoder would probably be more practical (assuming a reasonable data connection is present)
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ITV abandons the South Bank

I think that's incredibly unlikely. Aside from the reasons they moved from T'North in the first place, they would have to relocate the whole team or pay expensive rail fares each day.


That's true for staff - but not for freelance or short-term contract production staff, and AIUI This Morning's production team is not all staff...

However I think it is unlikely to happen for 'guest' reasons...
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Eurovision 2017

I love that SVT have finally got to grips with treadmills. Charlotte Pirelli was apparently supposed to have one in 2008 for 'Hero' but it wasn't compatible with her heels...



Though Sanne Nielsen had a fun turntable in 2011 - but sadly didn't win MF.

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Eurovision 2017

Sweden decided tonight, and absolutely picked the best performance with Robin Bengtsson and 'I Can't Go On'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjd6ll3RP6s

In a year of dull ballads this stands a real chance of victory. The staging is stunning and very reminiscent of Måns Zelmerlow.


What is with all the swearing in this song? I take it will have to be changed for Eurovision.


Robin's song already had revised lyrics when it was performed tonight in the Melodifestivalen final. (Lisa Ajaz's song didn't have revised lyrics though)

SVT have had more complaints than they may have expected domestically. In Sweden neither Swedish nor English swear words are 'that' offensive usually - but many Swedish people are aware of the offense that swearing can cause to Brits etc. and were unhappy for a couple of reasons.

1. They didn't want to send a song that seemed childishly offensive.
2. Melodifestivalen and Eurovision are both family shows, and kids really shouldn't learn to swear in a foreign language without understanding the meaning of the words and how they can be a problem outside of Sweden or when talking to people who aren't Swedish.

Reality in Sweden is that most English swear words are just used as 'cool' adjectives - not to offend.

All that said - turning the F-word into 'frikking' or 'freaking' may still be a bit of an issue for some broadcasters (BBC, RTE, SBS and possibly Maltese TV?) as it is an obvious place-holder...
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North American Affilliates/Network Set Design

KMTV 3 CBS - Omaha Nebraska - There are no words to describe this ....whatever it is. Its a shockingly bad virtual set...


You sure it's not the 'get you started' backdrop preloaded into their Tricaster ? Very Happy


What I want to know if it's tracking or if it's just a series of locked off shots.


You mean whether it's a proper VR set with camera tracking and live-rendered backdrops tied to camera motion, or a fake VR solution that is essentially just a bunch of locked-off cameras with fixed position cameras and either static backdrops, or possibly some DVE zooms / fake wide shots with the keyed camera shrunk into a fake 'huge wide shot'.
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Eurovision 2017


Its also infuriating that NRK have really cut back on content on their international players, as has SVT (but to a lesser degree). MGP was only available online via PC tonight and not on either of the NRK Apple TV or Android TV apps.


That may not have been intentional. NRK were tweeting apologies during MGP about the lack of availability.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards


However the issue in this case isn't the light levels per se, it's the fact that the box is being lit from all sides (it isn't in direct sunlight as far as I can see) but it does suffer heavily from ambient spill coming in from three directions.


Are there directional lights pointing into the box, around it or is it just the regular type of business lobby lighting where there's nothing special. Could they alleviate some of the ambient spill over using some sort of scrims up top?


I think it's that the box is in a daylit atrium, where natural daylight is (understandably) coming in from lots of different directions. So direct sunlight isn't the problem, but ambient 'bounce' from all directions is. This is great design architecturally, and will make the space pleasant, but for TV, where you want a lot more control, it's not so great. TV lighting is all about ensuring light only goes where you want it, and is about contrast a lot of the time. High levels of ambience reduce the contrast...

Scrims, Rosco polarisers and flags are all great for controlling direct sunlight. Far less good for non-directional ambient light.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards


Couldn't they have added some of the polarized window and camera filter to deal with the sunlight? I seem to remember CTV using Rosco filters during the Vancouver Olympics that did not affect the screens?


I'm not sure it would work that well - that treatment works very well for direct light, where the windows are in-vision and you are trying to reduce the impact of a burned out background.

However in reality because the polarisation system doesn't actually drop the light levels in the space (other than by the amount the window filter acts as a mild ND) - and once the light starts reflecting off surfaces the polarisation is altered, and the reduction in light levels hitting the camera doesn't change as much.

When you see Rosco polarisation products in use you can see this effect really clearly on anything that changes the polarisation of the light - like hair, fabric etc. Blonde presenters' hair often looks horrificaly back-lit because their hair alters the polarisation, and is then seen at something like full-brightness, the same goes for furnishing fabric which can make sofa edges look thermonuclear. Some reflective surfaces in a studio will also do this.

However the issue in this case isn't the light levels per se, it's the fact that the box is being lit from all sides (it isn't in direct sunlight as far as I can see) but it does suffer heavily from ambient spill coming in from three directions.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

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Well it does look washed out in some places. Particularly this shot.
CNN's DC studio just install some (first-of-its-kind) seriously impressive LED walls that look brilliant on telly. So there is new technology out there than can certainly fix that weird washed out shadowing problem. Needs to be addressed, especially since they use the wall as for these stands up and point and talk segments.
https://www.digitalsignagetoday.com/articles/cnn-adds-led-video-walls-to-the-situation-room/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCXTlELHjGs


Err - comparing a daylight glass-walled studio with almost no realistic control of ambient light levels with a screen in a controlled, entirely lit, studio is a bit like apples and oranges?

Sky may well have LED screen tech that would look a LOT better in a well lit studio than it does in a box where you are fighting daylight spill...

Which does beg the question why Sky decided to move shows into a studio with very challenging lighting conditions - just when they are introducing automation and likely to be removing people with craft skills...
Last edited by noggin on 11 March 2017 1:02am
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The Nightly Show

There is possibly a case for doing a reality show-heavy chatshow on the likes of ITV2 if this doesn't come off, actually.


Yep - though that's a bit of a non sequitur. That's catering to a different, smaller, audience.
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There is an audience that loves the people from these shows, and these people remain popular because they're controversial, whereas A-listers are on to plug whatever they're on to plug and won't give anything else away unless the show is a runaway success/has an amazing host.


Isn't ITV aiming for the latter though - amazing host and runaway success? Appears they have neither at the moment...
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The Nightly Show

I think they should have nurtured this show on ITV2 at 10pm. That's a very popular channel


Hmm - in real terms it's NOT that popular. Sure it does well in multichannel - but in comparison to the main channels it really is in a different league.

A nightly ITV2 show would be trawling second or third tier guests - and be reality-show heavy I suspect. You won't get Norton / Ross / One Show - level guests on an ITV2 show unless there is a VERY good reason for them to appear...

(Few people realise that The One Show is the most popular interview show in the UK - and has been for quite a while)
Steve Williams and Night Thoughts gave kudos