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Eurovision 2017

Eurovictorious posted:
Whataday posted:
I really hate the fact that SVT produce the show most years now. Half the charm of the contest was seeing the different production styles of each country.


That'll still be there. I don't expect Love Love Peace Peace II or a funny mocumentary for example. And as for gay jokes, forget it.

To be honest they had to bring in Bjorkman, Melzig and Co. given the level of chaos up to that point. You forget this has been a rocky affair since well before Russiagate.



Yes - this isn't SVT producing the show. It's the recent teams who recently produced the shows - both creatively and practically - being called back to rescue it. (Independently - not via SVT AIUI)
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International News Presentation: Past and Present

WW Update posted:


I still have no idea why TV 4 insist on putting text in their wall such that their presenter always obscures some of it...
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SM:TV Live to return for one off special?

DVB Cornwall posted:
I really contest the need for such programmes even with A lister presenters now. Most of the target audience with smartphones could produce their own tailored entertainment with Pop Videos, YouTubers, Instagram Stories and apps such as Musically being the building blocks driven by Social Media. Indeed for some management teams such as Prestige, (The Vamps, The Tide and New Hope Club) they and their fanbase are producing 24hr entertainment strands now.

The promotion of this type of show really is of the past.


If the show came back with Ant'n'Dec and Cat, it would be aiming at the generation of audience who watched it first time round, not the current kids audience. It would be a nostalgia fest rather than trying to appeal to today's kids I suspect.
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Amazon Fire TV and Stick

I think for Echos and Dots it is an option in the Alexa app that you run in parallel on iOS/Android devices?
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Saturday Night Takeaway 2017

Asa posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
It felt like six weeks of promos for and one final hour-and-a-half advert for Disney World. Not the future of tv I look forward to.

Not sure this kind of event is ever going to be regular in the future though! They're damned if they do or don't. I think it would be a shame if shows avoid popular tourist destinations for fear of it being seen as one big advert. We live in a very commercialised world these days, are the public not a bit more savvy to what is an ad?


Technically a top show, as it usually is. I'm sure it's not a simple operation - didn't Singalong have basically no delay?! Have a look at Simon Hardwick's tweets for details about the cue dot too!

I know black credits probably save all sorts of bother but it looks so much better when they do something a bit different, especially on an entertainment show like SNT. There had obviously been some communication as Pres didn't do a squeeze either.


I'm guessing that SingAlong is done with IP-style back-pack cameras (LiveU or WMT - using WiFi and/or bonded 3G/4G) and so if there was a good internet connection on-site in Florida (which I suspect there was Smile ) you could have the WMT/LiveU servers on-site and have roughly the same delay as if you were in the UK, assuming a low latency network connection to the UK with a decent ping time and route.
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Saturday Night Takeaway 2017

Rkolsen posted:
Out of curiousity how many Brits were in the audience in Orlando? It sounds like the show was promotional consideration for Disney World.


Through the run of the series people have been winning prizes to have a fortnight holiday in Disney World, with spending money, and the chance to be in the audience for the show. Given that both Virgin and Disney are involved - I'm guessing it's a big product placement deal. I think I heard 200 as a number, but don't know if that was people or families.

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I wonder what the Americans in the park or audience made of the show.

The show may be a little bemusing for a US audience - but the spectacle of a live TV show of that scale will be impressive, and make a huge impact - and it IS really entertaining.

I did wonder if having Cat Deeley (who goes way back with Ant'n'Dec to the days of SM:TV Live where all three co-presented) appear was to have a face that some US audience members might know (from So You Think You Can Dance) - even if they didn't get the Wonky Donkey references Smile

Because of the time difference - the crew were in at 0400 I believe, in the dark, long before the public were in, as the show went out live at 1400 local time?
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BBC News: Presenters & Rotas

JamesWorldNews posted:
I don't think Maxine is leaving.


I do hope she isn't.
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BBC News: Presenters & Rotas

We've just moved into a new financial year. It could be that a number of presenter posts are closing around this time. Very sad for the BBC to lose Gavin Esler and Maxine Mawhinney - both incredibly competent, watchable and warm presenters.

This may mean Jane Hill is one of the only News 24 launch presenters to still be around for the 20th anniversary of the channel launch this November.
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BBC News: Presenters & Rotas

aconnell posted:
JamesWorldNews posted:
Chris Mitchell also leaving BBC Sport, according to comments by some on Twitter.

Maxine Mawhinney will host her last ever edition of Dateline London today as well. Which is sad. Maxine handles the programme perfectly.


Is Maxine leaving too? I must have missed that. Truly a sad last few years seeing lots of departures.


I do hope not. It could be for other reasons - either Maxine's shift is changing, or could it be Dateline is finishing? (It's probably the only show which was on News 24 at launch, and still has the same music I think)
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BBC Parliament - Election 1992

VMPhil posted:
Despite the fact that it's from 1992, a lot of the graphics on this look better than some of the graphics that have been appearing on the BBC over the last few years.


Yes - 1987 had very clean graphics, but by 1992 they were really getting used cleanly, consistently, and told the story really effectively. The design was also really consistent. Technologically it's fascinating how they were implemented : http://www.bbceng.info/Eng_Inf/EngInf_49.pdf has a good article.

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Interesting to see the change in how live/location graphics are used too. Back then, they had a big BBC logo and location identifier, which only appears for a few seconds before fading out (and no 'LIVE' graphic). Now the graphics are a lot smaller but permanently on screen.


I think historically the OB hubs (at TVC there were usually one or two other galleries upstream of the main studio gallery lining up and switching OBs through to the main gallery. There were similar operations in Cardiff, Belfast, Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham.) These hubs often added the live / location graphics, and they were added using a standard Caption Generator, not a computer graphics system, and had quite limited facilities (Aston Caption/4 in 1992 I expect, though Motif may just have arrived) There were ways of computer controlling Astons by that time though.

Also - most locations will only have had a single cap gen - so if the location caption had been permanently kept up, it would have been tricky to cut between OBs in the same gallery (as you couldn't cut between two different location graphics easily) These days with automation you can do cleverer things.

Another issue - is that if you key in the location up-stream, it will shrink when you do result push-backs, and potentially be cropped if the DVE box isn't 4:3.

What is very nice is the consistent graphic look the 1992 Election has. Also nice to see touches like the Glasgow studio having similar set pieces to London.
Last edited by noggin on 8 April 2017 12:07pm
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Playout systems

deejay posted:
Mr Kite posted:
What benefit is there in working with the network feed rather than the Southampton one? Is it because you'd have to wait for them to mix back to the network before you do and might be a bit too long? Think I might have answered my own question but would appreciate confirmation.


Oxford opt from the network clean for the symbol and 1800 heads, the 1815 halfway heads and the start of the opt. If they did this from the Southampton feed there's a good chance they'd see Southampton opt almost every time. It's pretty tight. Better to opt clean from the network. Network is available anyway as an option, as the late bulletin is always independent of Southampton.


Better than Cambridge was originally then... When the Cambridge sub-opt started, there was only "Norwich dirty" to opt-out of (and that wasn't a permanent feed - and was instead on a shared circuit with a microwave receiver used for the FRV terresrial links truck).

This meant that Cambs always had to opt-out first, and opt-back last to avoid clipping Norwich... Once DTT opting was installed, it got cleaner.
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BBC World News from New Broadcasting House

London Lite posted:
Does The Boat Race usually go out without the news ticker when the BBC last had the rights?


Historically BBC World News opt-in and out but take the show with all graphics (which presumably won't be ticker safe) I think?