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Amazon Fire TV and Stick

Eurosport live channels are 720p HD using the Amazon player and use adaptive bitrate streaming.

Discovery only has the Discovery channel as an IPTV channel, no Animal Planet, DMAX, ID etc, which is a massive shame. However that is also 720p.


Are they 720p50 or 720p25? Sport at 25p always looks lousy...
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UK General Election

It was nice to see the full floorplan of the studio. I hadn't realised that the CSO area took up almost a third of the space.


It was a matter of blink and you'll miss it. Wink


What do they fill the CSO with for the standard wide shots? For example when they're discussing something at the desk and cut to a slow moving wide shot.


If you look at the positioning of the seats in the main presentation space - you can easily shoot around the green area on the majority of standard interview shots putting the green area in your 'dead' space. It won't be in any of your eyelines.

From memory the technocrane has a VR position detection output that can drive a virtual backdrop, so if you wanted to you could cut to that Techno+VR pre-keyed to include virtual content (rather than green) for link shots to the VR operation

(I assume the techno is available in both galleries, so the VR gallery would start with the Techno+VR keyed on their mixer for any sequences that used a VR link shot, though that camera may also be available pre-keyed on the main mixer?)
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Manchester Terror Attack

Whilst UK broadcasters are competitive on an editorial level on a technical level they're good at co-operating when needed.

There's a similar arrangement around use of helicopter pictures. Sky lease use of one helicopter, and the BBC and ITN have joint use of another. I think the BBC have day-to-day editorial control​ of theirs, but have an agreement to share all pictures live with ITN. In the event of big, pre-planned stories (major state occasions, for example), then the same pictures will be pooled by all three broadcasters. It saves two helicopters getting basically the same shot and means you can have one take over while the other one goes off to refuel.


Yes - and there is a very grown-up arrangement in how the helicopters operate. If Sky are taking BBC pool pictures of a major event, they will allow their helicopter to be directed by the BBC as part of this.
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Eurovision 2017


App voting is also a major difference. The UK version of the app votes via dialling the mobile phone shortcode. AIUI the app in other countries uses IP voting - which could be zero cost. (AIUI there are good governance reasons why the BBC only allow phone voting.)

It may well have changed but when I was in Austria in 2013 the app voting just triggered a (fairly steeply priced) SMS message.


The app sends send a text everywhere else, but in the UK it calls the mobile shortcode as it always has done.


Thanks - happy to stand corrected. Using SMS explains why the App wasn't used in the UK for a couple of years, until a UK-specific voting model was implemented.

(The Melodifestivalen app uses IP voting - and very publicly fell over during the first final it was used in...)
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Is it financially wise to bulldoze down three of the main studios, which have provided and still provide proper studio facilities to not just ITV, but for so many others.

The studios are very busy, I am sure they must be making money in catering for a raft of shows from non-ITV shows - QI, Have I Got News For You, The Graham Norton Show, The Last Leg etc.

Raising these studios to rubble seems financially pointless, and complete disgrace, considering the heritage of the centre. It seems ITV have taken the BBC example, go for the cash and to hell with heritage and studio space.


I think you are missing the realities of the London property market. Even if you can run studio facilities at a profit (though upgrading TLS to UHD and IP will have been on the horizon and a large cost), the financial benefits of re-developing to accommodation will be very difficult to ignore.

Put simply - even though you may not be losing money running a studio operation, if you can generate a massive amount more money by turning a site into high-end accommodation (the South Bank is a hugely expensive location in property terms), you have to have a very good argument to take to your shareholders to argue against doing so.
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Eurovision 2017

Can someone explain why the number of British nationals voting is pretty low compared to others nationals who live in the uk who do vote. There claim we like it but we don't vote?

The UK only vote via a phone line.

Presumably the other countries add both telephone and text voting in to the final figures.


App voting is also a major difference. The UK version of the app votes via dialling the mobile phone shortcode. AIUI the app in other countries uses IP voting - which could be zero cost. (AIUI there are good governance reasons why the BBC only allow phone voting.)
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Eurovision 2017

Can someone explain why the number of British nationals voting is pretty low compared to others nationals who live in the uk who do vote. There claim we like it but we don't vote?

The UK only vote via a phone line.

Presumably the other countries add both telephone and text voting in to the final figures.


I think the point being made is that non-Brits living in the UK vote more, pro rata, than Brits in the UK? (The OP wasn't comparing Brits voting in the UK, with - say - Swedes in Sweden voting)

I'd always put it down to being able to vote for your own country - Poles living in the UK can - and presumably do - vote patriotically for Poland, just as I'm sure British ex-Pats in Australia vote for the UK!
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Eurovision 2017

RDJ posted:
Why is there such a big gallery team located in the UK?

As far as I understand, they would only be displaying British relevant graphics (as well as blocking advertising), monitoring the televotes and controlling the spokesperson feed. Yet they have a full gallery team on board?


The requirements are pretty much identical to handling a high-profile major sporting event with on-site commentators but production back in the UK.

You need a sound team to mix the commentary, handle the communications between the UK and the site (including checking and switching to backups should they be required). You also need someone to handle the communications for the voting spokesperson. I'm sure the UK sound team would also have pre-recorded elements from Graham to give the phone numbers should commentary be lost. The sound facilities need to be 5.1 capable. It's unusual to find a decent 5.1 capable sound desk attached to a tiny control room...

You'll no doubt have a camera operator and lighting/vision person, and possibly a floor sound person, to handle the studio elements of the in-vision voting that is fed back to Ukraine to give the UK jury's 12 points.

There are 3 or 4 different feeds of the contest that rights holders are expected to pick up and have available in their local control room, and use should one of the feeds go down, plus a recording of the Friday jury dress rehearsal that must be played (and constantly kept in sync by a VT op).

The phone numbers and some other domestic graphics are added locally in the UK - so a graphics operator and graphics platform are needed.

For the BBC Four shows there also need to be facilities to handle the in-vision presentation (more comms, unilateral incoming feeds so more outside sources to line up etc.) from Scott and Mel in Kiev.

Add to that the production team need to handle two separate jury votes, co-ordinate all the practical requirements for the teams in both the UK and Kiev (transport, hotels, sorting the props for staging etc.) and then the requirement for the phone voting co-ordination and monitoring, and the editorial policy issues in broadcasting an event you have no direct control of, and the number of people isn't massively different to a regular show.

I'm sure you could build a smaller control room to do just what is required - but the reality is people don't build control rooms just to make the Eurovision Song contest, so you no doubt end up hiring what is available. There are smaller studio-less 'live galleries' available - but they probably end up being too small, and engineering a local camera (and lighting and studio sound) into them is likely to be more hassle than it is worth.

As can be seen from the Blue Peter behind the scenes filming, the BBC were at IMG Studios. Which specialise in sport production (big galleries, small studios) and are a very good fit for the Eurovision Song Contest. The other facility that would make sense is Timeline in Stratford (which BT Sport use)

When you are broadcasting a show that includes a public phone vote and that is watched by more than 8 million people (the show peaked at around 8.8m during the voting) you need to ensure you have all your ducks in a row...
Last edited by noggin on 20 May 2017 10:47am
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New BBC corporate font: BBC Reith

BBC Lifestyle and BBC Knowledge also have their own fonts for on-screen presentation. Bringing all channels into line with a single font for the whole corporation could save a lot of money, it is also a good excuse to refresh the presentation on all channels. BBC News could look better ditching Swiss for instance.


I agree that there are potential economies - and other benefits - to a corporate typeface, I'm not sure all channels should have to adopt it. Typefaces have character, just like other design elements, so having bespoke typefaces for each channel still makes sense (though using bespoke make be more cost-effective than off-the-shelf)
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New BBC corporate font: BBC Reith

Aren't most fonts licensed in the apps you use to make things and the OS it runs on?


No - the licences often don't cover broadcast and other commercial use. You often need to specifically buy a licence that includes broadcast rights, and they aren't always that cheap.

The BBC already have an 'in house' font in widespread use. It's called 'BBC One' and is the typeface used for the BBC 'one' logo and on-screen elements used for BBC One's presentation. (It's also used widely by The One Show as they use the BBC One channel identity in their on-screen look)
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BBC Breakfast

That sounds more like something has failed on the SNG truck (eg the sound mixer or matrix/router) and the engineer has been able to get just the one mic working directly rather than through the mixer.


Depends how the truck is crewed. Some SNG trucks are just that, a truck, and the camera and sound gear used on the floor are booked separately. If they are using an RF camera it's like the sound has to go back via the camera link to stay in-sync (unless there is an audio delay on the truck's mixer or a separate delay unit). If there is a floor sound person then they might mix a couple of mics on an SQN, but a single mic + cam mic isn't unheard of...
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Eurovision 2018

There's also the question of the EBU's resources - they handle distribution for the UCL, and I'd imagine it takes up a similar amount of their capacity as the song contest.
(That said, there was a small amount of crossover in times between Saturday's full voting rehearsal and the 10 simultaneous Bundesliga games they were distributing, plus however many Ligue 1 games on at the same time, so there is a lot of room on the network, though it's not infinite.)

Next year's UCL final is in Kiev, by the way.


There were additional, short notice, ESC feeds that the EBU provided this year that had to be shuffled in space segment terms because of other commitments... (They were pretty busy)