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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

I struggle to see how Victoria Derbyshire is saving the channel money, unless BBC Two are paying for it.


I think that is the case.
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Al Jazeera to close?

This Facebook Live video was on the BBC News feed a few days ago. Interesting as they go around the W1A building and into a few studios and galleries.

It starts in the current Persian gallery/studio in Peel Wing, and goes over to the 5th floor in NBH.

https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/10154828105862217/

Fascinating video. Looks like all the galleries run Mosart. Looks like they may be produced in HD even if the service goes out as SD.


Not all galleries in W1 are Mosart.

There are some older control rooms installed for BBC Arabic and BBC Persian that run with an older automation system (IBIS + Dalet I think) which uses the ITN-style - 'drive the server from the mixer' model rather than the Mosart 'drive the mixer and the server from automation model'

AIUI the Arabic and Persian studios are still SD, and some of them are getting on for 10 years old now.

These control rooms were installed when the BBC World Service TV operation was very independent of the BBC domestic and BBC World News TV operations, and hence had no reason to go down the Omnibus News Control or Columbus route that was then the standard at TV Centre (and they pre-date the procurement process that selected Mosart as the replacement for those systems).

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What type of radio cam are they using for this tour? It didn't break one bit.


BBC use COFDM RF cameras internally within NBH - Outside Source has traditionally used one. I believe the Arabic and/or Persian galleries have at least one available to them (or they did) for doing newsroom presentation safely without having cable management issues.

Not saying that the camera used in this case was COFDM (it could be a WMT bonded solution instead) - but certainly COFDM is an option and in use.
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Channel 4

Jon posted:
Hopefully soon. Never understood why a forum of press fans dislike DOGs so much. A DOG has never ruined the enjoyment of a programme for me.


It has for many of us. For me a DOG on TV is like listening to the radio with someone constantly whispering 'You're listening to Radio 4' every 10 seconds...
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Crimewatch with Jeremy Vine and Tina Daheley

Crimewatch Roadshow is back on weekday mornings. Unlike the main programme which is a roadshow, this programme, ironically, seems to be studio based.

I know, it's ridiculous that the daytime spin-off now appears more professional than the main programme - and often less sensationalist (though that's mostly down to Vine).


Though the daytime show is one of the very last SD shows on BBC One... (Even if the EPG seems to think it's HD...)
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Watchdog

A little late to the vt discussion but do the BBC use vt clocks, I've never seen it on any live feeds, my favourite vt clock is the channel5 cricket highlights show which Geoffrey boycott tossing the cricket ball up into the air 😁


BBC no longer use them at the start of live shows (too many were being cut up...) but recorded shows delivered as files or on tape will have them.

VT inserts for live shows will depend on the post production and playout systems, and how the material is delivered. It's certainly not unusual for a show with lots of inserts played out manually from EVS to have inserts with clocks delivered on them (it's easier to set an in point on a clocked item than a slated item quickly), but once ingested the in-point marked for the start of play in is likely to be first frame of pictures.
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BBC making £34m investment in children's services


And as BARB boxes only feature in about 5000 homes anyway it's plausible some of them will be in childless homes.


Not only plausible - but surely a certainty. BARB need a statistically representative group of UK households, so will almost certainly include single people, childless couples, OAPs who don't have grandchildren living with them etc. on their panel.
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London Live

Ironically Tom Tom with traffic relies on RDS-TMC data transmited with Classic FM


Only some Tom Tom devices use TMC. The higher quality traffic data is delivered to devices with cellular data functionality. I've run TomTom on my mobile phone for years, with a data-delivered traffic subscription (now rolled into a grandfathered TomTom Go app)
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Al Jazeera to close?



Also people who posted here about BBC Arabic being "closed". Well fear not. You can live stream it on Youtube you know. Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0RMXgxMhs8
So is every bulletin presented live? Wow I didn't know the BBC produced a third news channel in addition to BBC News and BBC World News.


BBC News, BBC World News, BBC Arabic and BBC Persian are all continuous TV news networks coming from W1. There are also TV bulletin services for lots of other languages. There are plans to expand the Russian TV operation, and introduce a Korean service too I believe.
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London Live

Jon posted:
I don't think a news and info telly service for the capital has to be interesting it has to be there and it'll be used. If it has the weather news and travel.


In a few Canadian cities All-traffic radio is very popular. Have a listen to Vancouver's AM730. They mix traffic and weather all day and night 24 hours a day.
http://player.am730.ca/#/
http://www.am730.ca/


We tried it in the days before satnav - but now people have Waze, TomTom traffic, Google Traffic etc. the requirement for radio traffic news is far less widespread. I used to ensure I had my RDS enabled with Traffic Alerts back in the day. Now I just use TomTom with Traffic - which is usually accurate to the 10 metres...
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BBC making £34m investment in children's services

Sesame Street was never that popular over here was it? It was always tucked away in the schedules and don't think it was on everywhere. I've said before that as a child it was very odd watch, I didn't understand the odd references in it and the crappy film/NTSC quality made it look so different to anything else


I suspect its main problem was it was totally geared towards the American education system and we just never "got it". The BBC didn't want it and the commercial regulator had grave concerns about it too at the time. There was a report on it which I've never been able to find online - Reactions to Sesame Street in Britain 1971.

These days of course various characters, segments and what not were all spun-off and air quite happily on the various preschool channels - Cartoonito appear to be the most recent service to pick Sesame Street up but it doesn't appear in their schedule at the moment.


I think the Zee vs Zed issue loomed too... I'm not joking...
Richard and Night Thoughts gave kudos
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Shows that people forget or get lost in time

Wanted! on Channel 4 (Originally hosted by Richard Littlejohn and later, Ray Cokes). A programme way ahead of its time technologically. Cost a bomb to make in the 90s mind you.

This is another show where a similar format could be revived.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoHIlKcq5zw


That format was bought by Swedish TV (TV4 I think) and very popular there - running for longer than the UK version.
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Shows that people forget or get lost in time

Riaz posted:
The Real World. A short lived competitor to Tomorrows World by TVS.


Yes, one of TVS's first network offerings, and the initiative of Michael Blakstad, who was Tomorrow's World's exec producer, before becoming TVS's founding Director of Programmes.

One of the first things TRW did was a 3D broadcast, with the glasses given away in TV Times.

Also, I've got a feeling they collaborated with ITN over ITV's coverage the first Space Shuttle mission ?


Yep - The Real World was a favourite. They did a couple of shows on 3D TV - one in B&W and then one with an attempt at colour.

For some reason I have a feeling TVS were involved in Helen Sharman's cosmonaut flight too - which would have been towards the end of their franchise period?

Another science/health show I remember on ITV was 'Where There's Life' presented by Dr Miriam Stoppard (wife of playright Tom Stoppard at the time) and Dr Rob Buckman?