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Wimbledon 2017

Jeffmister posted:
dvboy posted:
BBC Two just left Heather Watson's doubles match to go to Today at Wimbledon just as she was about to serve for the match!
The red button wasn't quite ready for people switching over.

I'll never understand why the BBC doesn't use 'common sense' scheduling when it comes to Wimbledon. Things like that and how the 1pm news doesn't air on BBC Two or earlier so that BBC One can cover Center Court from when play begins on there just doesn't make sense from a scheduling or viewing POV


If you move the news to BBC Two you have to ditch the regional opt-outs in the headlines, and still have to switch back to BBC One for the regional news, as none of the English regions can opt-out of BBC Two. (They only had this ability in the days of analogue.)

Only the Nations (Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) can do their own thing on BBC Two.
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BBC News links with CBS News Globally

cityprod posted:
UKnews posted:


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CBS News is still part of ENEX, as is Sky News, so there is still a connection with Sky, but this BBC deal seems to be a new 'network affiliation' deal.


It may now be the case that some / all CBS material on ENEX is marked as 'not Sky' given the new BBC deal.


Given the nature of the European News Exchange (ENEX), I'm not sure that's possible.

Members pay a yearly membership fee. Members submit material to the content pool, but they are not allowed to charge for it. But they can use all material in the content pool, free of charge.

CBS are already an associate member of the EBU, so they might have to pull out of ENEX, but given all that access to free material, they might not want to pull out.


Does ENEX not have exceptions - like APTN, Reuters, EVN etc. had - where certain content is slated to point out some broadcasters don't have access?
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50 years of colour television

Charlie Wells posted:

With DVB-T and DVB-T2 I wonder whether the '5 terrestrial channels' would be required to remain using DVB-T for longer whilst other channels switched to DVB-T2. That way it ensured that a basic tv service was still available for anyone with an old receiver (eg. couldn't afford to replace their tv/receiver).


It's possible - but that hasn't been the route taken by other countries. France switched from MPEG2 SD to H264 HD for the main terrestrial channels recently I believe (though staying with DVB-T), and Germany is switching from DVB-T SD MPEG2 to DVB-T2 HD H265 with only a brief period of simulcasting I believe.

I think the PSB vs COM mix means it's unlikely we'd stick with SD DVB-T on one of the three high-penetration PSB muxes, particularly as the current two remaining SD DVB-T PSB muxes are split between BBC and ITV/C4.
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50 years of colour television

VMPhil posted:
noggin posted:
VMPhil posted:
If only we'd done that with digital radio!


Well HD Radio doesn't exactly improve on the DAB standard, and DAB+ is here in the UK now...

Well, I meant if we had theoretically waited until DAB+ to launch digital radio in the UK, as other countries have been able to do. Though, I'll admit I was pleasantly surprised by DAB+ actually taking off here.

I wonder out of the two possible future switchovers, whether going from the mix of DVB-T/DVB-T2 to solely DVB-T2 or going from DAB/DAB+ to solely DAB+ will be more disruptive?


Well there's a much bigger imperative to drive DVB-T to DVB-T2 than there is for DAB to DAB+...
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Wimbledon 2017

james-2001 posted:
They don't show "every game on every court", not sure how that's even possible even with all the red button channels.

Connected Red Button is IP-streamed - so not limited by the number of outlets in the way DVB streams are...
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50 years of colour television

VMPhil posted:
noggin posted:
Arguably by waiting 10 years we ended up with better tech to launch with. The same was true of HDTV too...

If only we'd done that with digital radio!


Well HD Radio doesn't exactly improve on the DAB standard, and DAB+ is here in the UK now...
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50 years of colour television

Brekkie posted:
Great to see the BBC marking this but of course they're focusing on the BBC being the first in Europe. Presumably the US networks beat them to it - what were their first colour broadcasters?


US colour broadcasts started in the mid-50s. CBS were allowed to launch, briefly, a standard that was incompatible with existing black and white receivers, but this was then shelved, and RCA's compatible system replaced it by c. 1957.

So the US had colour 10 years before Europe. However the early US colour services were pretty limited. RCA not only owned the colour patents for the broadcast standard, but they were the main manufacturer of colour cameras. CBS ended up working with Philips North America (aka Norelco) on the development of cameras to rival RCAs, and those cameras were some of the first used in Europe. Arguably by waiting 10 years we ended up with better tech to launch with. The same was true of HDTV too...
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Wimbledon 2017

Neil Jones posted:
Andrew posted:
I'm not sure why Sue is still telling us at 8:20 that EastEnders is on BBC Two. If you don't know by now, you've basically missed it.


I'd have thought in this day and age of on-screen TV guides and the search-and-scan banners that sort of (verbal) announcement was redundant by now.


Quite rightly, BBC Producer/Editorual Guidelines state that information provided on-screen should also be provided audibly, so that those who are visually impaired, severely dyslexic etc. aren't disadvantaged. It's also why News usually dub rather than subtitle non-English language content.

I think I can put up with a listening to the announcement with the knowledge that a section of the audience are not being ignored...
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Channel 4

Markymark posted:

I refuse on principle to pay a subscription for a channel that has adverts. I spend such cash on Netflix instead


I take the view that the adverts subsidise my subscription...
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Wimbledon 2017

james-2001 posted:
I remember Wimbledon in the 90s when the only on-screen score was when they flashed up the results for that particular game (i.e. 15/30) after each point. I'm sure it was only around 2000 when it got a permanent score card on screen.


In the 90s the score graphic was only keyed over the court wide shot camera, and disappeared on the cuts to close-ups.
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Wimbledon 2017

commseng posted:
Blake Connolly posted:
Andrew posted:
It's only the second round


Yeah, from memory it's around the Friday of the first week that the schedules start to get shunted around to keep Murray on BBC One. The call on what to do can depend on the situation, though - I remember once it was the way a set point not long before 6pm went that decided whether or not the news was moved (I think because one way meant the match could be wrapped up a lot quicker than the other).

Up until recently, that Friday would clash with Glastonbury and there were a couple of years where there'd be press releases about the festival being live on BBC One for the first time with The One Show only for it to be moved to BBC Two. On one of those occasions there was a power cut at the Glastonbury OB shortly before they were due to go on air and it wasn't known until very late whether they'd be able to make it to air (both the One Show and BBC Three's coverage). All that going on while at the same time trying to negotiate a Wimbledon channel switchover.

It's always the most "fun" time of year to be in BBC playout, I recall..!

I was working at Glastonbury that year.
It was an electrical storm in the area, and all the generators on site were turned off, including those feeding the TV Compound.

I think the storm passed and the power restored about 15 minutes before we were due on air.
Just enough time for all the kit to be rebooted!


Yes - it wasn't a power cut per se, it was a conscious decision to power down much of the TV operation on the site to ensure electrical safety in case stages or other structures were struck by lightning.

Power only restored just in time to get The One Show on-air.
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Channel 4

Historically one reason adverts have been broadcast DOG-free is to ensure that no legal 'small print' is masked.