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BBC Sport - new graphics (Reith font)

Moz posted:
JAS84 posted:
Yes. Not all channels even have a HD version, so I don't believe that last sentence.

You don't believe me? You're assuming I watch *all* channels if so. I don't. I only watch BBC One, BBC Two, BBC News, BBC Four and Channel 4. Very occasionally ITV if it's for sport. All are HD.


Most flat screens still default to overscan simulation being present on HD channels, and some displays still don't make it easy to defeat it.

Some Full HD panels will only allow you to run with no overscan with 1080i or 1080p sources, and don't allow removal of overscan for 720p or 576i/p sources.

This becomes an issue once you throw 720p iPlayer into the equation... (The iPlayer BBC dog isn't 16:9 gfx safe ISTR - and is often cropped on some displays)
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Broadcasting House, Salford Quays & TVC

JasonB posted:
Bail posted:
God thats ugly.. Sad


That's the building opposite it isn't it? Wink

*observes tumble weed blowing by*


Well one of us got it...
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Broadcasting House, Salford Quays & TVC

Bail posted:
God thats ugly.. Sad


There's some panoramic distortion on that photo that is making it look a lot worse than it is in reality. Personally I found the Spur / Stage V / Stage VII a bit of a carbuncle (the mis-match of building materials between Spur and Stage V always looked like a bodge) Don't find the new building too objectionable.
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The journey towards Channels 1, 2 3 etc

I suspect that BBC Two having the number 2 in its name, along with TVs with preset button tuning, rather than rotary tuning, helped us with the move from actual frequency channels (i.e. Tyne Tees, Channel Cool to 'preset' channel numbers (i.e. the button on the TV you pressed).

In the days of a single rotary dial used for tuning - it made sense to use the actual RF channel - as it helped you find the station. Once TVs switched to pre-set push-button tuning, the concept of RF channels made no sense, but the concept of preset numbers did.

BBC One made sense for button 1, BBC Two made sense for button 2, leaving ITV left for button 3. UK sets even came pre-labelled with these preset allocations in some cases, with an ITV2 button on the 4th position in anticipation of the 4th national channel for the ITA/IBA to run.
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Shows that people forget or get lost in time

Neil Jones posted:

I don't think Mark Speight was was contracted to either the BBC or ITV as he quite often appeared on both networks - SMart ran for 14 years and had a few spin-offs on the BBC while on ITV he had the Saturday morning magazine of Scratchy & Co and some other stuff too.


Technically he was almost certainly contracted by both the BBC and ITV for the duration of the production periods of the shows he made for them.

However his contracts were likely not exclusive, and he was unlikely to have been under an overarching 'exclusive' contract deal to a specific broadcaster if we was working on shows for both broadcasters in the same periods.
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What you do when setting up a TV

DanielK posted:
Critique posted:
On Good Morning Britain on the ITV Hub I always notice that there's a small gap at the bottom of the ITV graphic used at the TOTH, where you can see the camera cued underneath.

Looks to be a GMB issue, all of their full frame graphics seem to do that.


That suggests their full frame graphics are keyed over their output rather than cut up as full-frame sources.
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BBC Sport - new graphics (Reith font)

Moz posted:

Also glad they're ignoring all those ridiculous "safe areas" guidelines. If you can't see the graphics, buy yourself a decent TV!


Safe areas are still in place - they've just moved to 16:9 safe. Whilst almost all TVs still default to overscan (or simulated overscan) - safe areas are still likely to be used.

UK standard 16:9 safe is 5% from top and bottom, 10% from left and right for general graphics. BBC mandate credits to be 4:3 safe - so they remain safe during an ECP slide, other broadcasters also have exceptions.

I've seen unsafe graphics cropped on 16:9 SD LCD TVs...
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International News Presentation: Past and Present

WW Update posted:
This has been posted in this thread before, but for those who missed it, here's a compilation of ARD's regional news intros from 2016. (The compilation does not include Land -specific news opt-outs, which air on some multi -Land ARD broadcasters, nor does it include WDR's city-specific local newscasts):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWU6MB4iCC0


Wow - there are some very 'interesting' virtual sets there...

HR's wide shot is so wide it looks like the dais is a floating island, and SR has made the mistake of giving everything in the VR space a lovely shiny reflection, except their presenter (who is keyed over it) doesn't have one, so it looks like she is hovering... (The SR title sequence is also a perfect example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should')

SWR Rheinland Pfalz's in contrast is understated and nicely implemented. Either a real floor or a very good matte VR one, and the timelapse backdrop is nicely 'low key'.
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International News Presentation: Past and Present

The SNT Three posted:
tmorgan96 posted:
There's a Moma (MorgenMagazine) on Das Erste as well, do ARD and ZDF split production between themselves? I remember Das Erste's MoMa being aa very plaid affair.


It sounds confusing, but this is an arrangement which dates back years, when the entire schedule until lunchtime was shared by the two broadcasters. Most shows have been separate since 1999, but cooperation on the news bulletins at 9/10/12 lasted until 2012 and continues with the magazine shows.

ARD and ZDF simulcast, but they produce separate programmes which are broadcast in alternate weeks. Both broadcasters use different studios for both so you will see MoMa from Cologne (ARD/WDR) and Berlin (ZDF); the Mittagsmagazin at lunchtime is broadcast from Munich (ARD/BR) or Mainz (ZDF). Oh, and ARD's news bulletins come from Hamburg (NDR).

Next year, all change. Regional broadcaster RBB (Berlin-Brandenburg) will take over production of the ARD MiMa and both editions of MiMa will also come from ZDF's studios in Berlin – the broadcasters will swap weeks, producing MoMa and MiMa in alternate weeks instead of the same week, as currently.

A strange situation can occur when either channel is in sports mode, as the arrangement continues anyway and the ARD version will be seen only on ZDF...


Doesn't sport also create some interesting situations - where rights to major sporting events (Olympics for instance) are shared between ARD and ZDF ? ISTR that the channels do coverage on alternate days (so you get a normal schedule on Das Erste, but wall to wall sport on ZDF one day, but the next day Das Erste goes to an all sport schedule, and ZDF runs a normal schedule?) Or am I misremembering?
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London 2017 World Athletics

harshy posted:
dvboy posted:
They could have blocked out the "The news will follow shortly" caption on the clip on the actual news.

There's only one return bbc feed, maybe they couldn't get the clear feed back in time but I would have thought they would have also used the world feed.


I suspect the world feed would have looked quite different - the BBC have been customising it significantly with their own stadium cameras.
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Good Morning Britain

Aaron_2015 posted:
BBI45 posted:
Andrew posted:
Why not just hold on to see what this programme looks like first, as it this stage it is no more than an EPG entry that splits the show into two parts.

As I said earlier, I think they are just likely going to be seeing what audience figures are like after 8:30. Otherwise, they could have easily found somebody else to cover for Lorraine.


Ratings breakdowns come in half an hour slots, the overall program ratings are worked out afterwards. You could easily calculate GMB without the 8:30 - 9:25 section to find out how each bit of the program performed, so I doubt that's the reason.


They normally come in 15 minute slots as standard, but you can get minute-by-minute should you wish to pay for it. (For instance to see where people turn over). You can also pay to see where people go when they leave you or where they join you from.
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Inconsistencies with re-branding?

JAS84 posted:
Probably a mistake by the press - they correctly reported that the test card was getting replaced, but it was just an electronic reproduction of F, and not a new design.


Didn't the BBC flirt with an electronic testcard that wasn't TCF to replace the optical TCF, then implemented an electronic version of TCF in the end?