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Eurovision's new Asia contest ...

Josiah. posted:
623058 posted:
Shouldn't that be AsiaVison song contest?

It's not going to be called 'AsiaVision' because of the fact that the ABU (Asia-Pacific Broadcasting Union) already has a news agency called Asiavision.


What - you mean like the EBU has a video news service called Eurovision (aka EVN)? Or is the ABU not involved in this contest - hence the distancing?
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What you do when setting up a TV

Bail posted:

A client of ours is actually doing some compression testing this weekend with true 4K HDR (RAW S-Log) which is rather interesting, obviously looking at Rec 2020 as a mainstream deliverable in the not to distant future. But we were talking about the "good old days of HD" when the bitrate was pretty decent, now... not so much, but now I'm off topic...


Yep - though Rec 2020 on its own is SDR isn't it? You need to use BT.2100 to add an HDR OETF - either a PQ system like HDR10 or Dolby Vision, or a scene-referenced system like HLG - for final delivery?

Obviously you can shoot HDR and then grade out to SDR as well - and Rec 2020 makes sense for that with the Rec 2020 SDR OETF?

I've seen some nice Sony S-Log stuff displayed on their HDR OLED broadcast screens - stunningly good quality.
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Local TV

Critique posted:

Plus, when That's TV take over I'm sure we'll lose the basic but effective green screen sets that actually feature imagery of the place the channel broadcasts from in favour of that wretched pink and purple backdrop, which they then use for all their output.


Having a set with no local imagery locating the studio presumably allows sharing of programmes between stations...
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Local TV

Whataday posted:
deejay posted:
Mustard is to be sold to the That's group.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-40962207


This is dreadful news for Mustard. Can't help but feel if it had been sold to Made they would have cut costs but at least retained a degree of quality.


Sad - but I guess inevitable. Interesting that it isn't a straight sale - and that the owners of Mustard will effectively become shareholders in the overall That's TV operation as part of the deal.

Looks to me like the Norwich and Cambridge That's TV stations will eventually both largely operate from studios in Cambridge, but for an interim period continue to work from the current Norwich facilities?
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The Sport Thread

tightrope78 posted:
Some of the viewing are in for the US PGA coverage on the BBC:

BBC2’s reach, for only two hours of coverage per day, was just over 2m.
Red button coverage reached 1.5m.


What was the volume - i.e. the average ratings (the numbers that are usually quoted) - to get that reach (reach is usually only quoted when ratings are pretty low) ?

**EDIT - I can answer that. Sunday got 500,000, Saturday 300,000. **
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Good Morning Britain

NewbieTvFan posted:
If you look at American breakfast shows they always have music performances. Especially from British artists. I personally think it would bring in more viewers if they had promos during the daytime to say for example Dua Lipa will be performing her new single LIVE or The Vamps, Arcade Fire, Liam Payne, Louis Tomlinson, Harry Styles. Plenty of choices out there.


I don't think music does particularly well in ratings terms in the UK. (One reason why it is almost always at the end of shows is that it is better for ratings to lose them at the end of a show than earlier...)

Plus US morning shows have higher budgets that allow for sound checksa and rehearsals for bands whilst the main gallery is on-air. (Rather than having to do them during regional opts as Breakfast used to...)

They generate some buzz, and can have a 'halo effect' - and for the US shows they add some energy to their final segments - but they are seldom ratings gold.
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BBC World News from New Broadcasting House

flyconcorde007 posted:
AlexS posted:
World and the NC have simulcasted overnight for as long as I can remember

As far as I can tell, News 24 and World used to have separate feeds from the beginning of News 24 in 1997. This continued for maybe half a year

Correct
Quote:

until the BBC found it was not cost effective to have two different presenters and so from some point in 1998 the overnight programme was 'BBC News'


That's a big conclusion to jump to...

Suspect the reality is that the plan was always to run a joint service - but News 24 was using very advanced (i.e. not really ready or robust) technology for semi-automated news production, and it needed a bit of time to bed in before it was exposed to a global audience...
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The New ITV & BBC Weather Thread

Spencer For Hire posted:
thegeek posted:


From the blog:

Still the new system is in the hands of Creative Director, Yael Levey; she's created "6 personas" so that the design development serves a range of different needs. The personas are Jenny, Jade, Tim, Tony, Helen and Imran.

Could someone who speaks fluent bull***t translate this for me please?


It's called knowing your audience and designing for them. It's a perfectly normal and valid technique. It's used in TV production and all sorts of other areas of content creation (advertising in particular)

Each 'persona' has different requirements, and the personas are there to ensure that the team designing and changing things consider the impact on a range of users. It's there to avoid people designing a look, or a system, or UX or a programme, that meets their own personal needs very well, and those of others less so.
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What you do when setting up a TV

bilky asko posted:
Bail posted:
Whitnall posted:
Despite my best efforts, I've not be able to replicate the clear and vibrant image I can get on my 2009 LCD Samsung TV on my new one. Despite the fact that my new Samsung which is 4k LED and cost double the price, it just won't do the picture as good. Even 4K stuff does not have the same clarity as my cheap 2009 set.

What source are you feeding it? An HD image will generally look better on a HD screen over a 4K one, as the 4K as to upsample/stretch the picture to fill the screen.

That said if you're saying 4K material doesn't look good either then perhaps there is an issue, what make/model is it, there are lots of AV sites and forums with "optimum" calibrations that you can find on What Hi-Fi etc?


Surely as 4K is precisely double the resolution in both directions, there should be no degradation in quality? (For 1080)


Given that most upscalers do a reasonably filtered re-sample, there is potentially some processing quality loss introduced. Any processing - particularly spatial resampling - can introduce degradation if not handled well enough.

As the maths for 1920x1080 to 3840x2160 scaling are nice and linked, the scaling should be relatively easy to implement well (and in my experience it IS implemented well) - but to assume a 2:1 raster ratio means no degradation - not sure I'd make that jump.
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What you do when setting up a TV

Bail posted:
An HD image will generally look better on a HD screen over a 4K one, as the 4K as to upsample/stretch the picture to fill the screen.


Actually that was the opposite of my experience when trying to find a decent TV a couple of years ago. I spent a good amount of time in John Lewis with test material auditioning Full HD and UHD TVs, removing all the digital processing, sharpness processing, 'contrast enhancement' etc. I ended up with a UHD display precisely because it did a better job with HD sources (1080p Blu-ray, 1080i Blu-ray and Freeview HD) than every 1080p display I could find.
ukpetey and bilky asko gave kudos
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A Question of Sport

A Question of Sport is one of the first in-house shows the BBC has tendered the production contract for - with the possibility for it to go to an independent production company as well as in-house. (Songs of Praise was also part of the same batch of shows).

BBC Studios won the tender, and A Question of Sport is still made in-house, presumably the revamp is part of this new deal?

(Songs of Praise went to two indies as a combined deal, and the in-house BBC Religion and Ethics department is now a shadow of its former self)
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The end of ITV regional Teletext

Neil Jones posted:
deejay posted:
Haha! I'd forgotten about PDC. We used to call it Pretty Damned Complicated. ISTR it was a pain in the arse.


Wasn't that complicated. Some video recorders IIRC used it automatically, others you had to tell it to use the PDC and I think it was many ITV regions that were late to the game on implementing it. Was excellent on occasion if you wanted to record something after a football match for example and it had gone into extra time - you'd still get the programme.


It was a pain for broadcasters ISTR - which may be what deejay is referring to...

It regularly used to go wrong, causing lots of complaints about missed recordings. (Think the issue was that the PDC handling for playout was a bit of a kludge, as systems weren't originally designed with it in mind? Though the Germans had their simpler VPS system before PDC came along so some must have supported it?)

I think one aspect of PDC that confused was that whilst PDC used teletext data to send the record start/stop/delay etc. data - it wasn't initially designed to be interfaced with teletext listings pages (though that functionality is now in the ETSI spec) - and that integration then ended up varying between manufacturers ISTR?
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