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The Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Thread

valley posted:
noggin posted:
(Incidentally - EastEnders and News often buy the same camera models for some reason. I think partially because Elstree is very triad-dependent still, and partially because they have to be cost-effective, without needing all the facilities that an entertainment camera might need)

Not anymore. EastEnders has replaced their HSC-300s with the (cinema-camera style) Sony PXW-FX9 and fibre Sony HDC-3500.


Ah - I'd heard EE had gone with the Triax variant of the HDC-3500 to replace the HSC-300s - as there was nervousness about switching to SMPTE from Triax ? I guess sense prevailed to allow for UHD migration.

I wonder how well the FX-9 matches the 3500s given one is a large single-sensor and the other is a smaller 2/3" 3-chip?
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The Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Thread

News replaced their Philips LDKs in a number of their studios (like N6 ) with Sony E30s (SD) as the previous Philips (now GVG) LDK100s (the original cameras put in to N6 and also used by EastEnders) had mechanical shutters that didn't cope with the Barco projector cube walls. ISTR that some of them went to Nations and Regions when News moved from TVC to NBH (as did some of the other relatively new gear like the Sony vision mixers). This kit wasn't HD, wasn't brand new, but still had life in it, and was a lot newer than a lot of the kit elsewhere. Similar things happened with some of the Oxford Road kit when the move to Salford happened.

Some regions have also replaced their first gen Thomson TTV1707s (a truly dreadful camera) with Sony HSC300s or similar (HD cameras running in SD) as buying SD cameras in this day and age would be ridiculous.

The HSC300 was also the NBH standard camera (in the original Triax-only variant) but AIUI HDC3100s (or the triax HDC3170) may now be being bought (I have a feeling the HD-upgraded Arabic and Persian studios got them).

I would expect the regions will have a procurement - and there may well be an argument for a mix of brick cameras and full-function models (as many other European broadcasters have used in news studios with remote PTZ cameras)

(Incidentally - EastEnders and News often buy the same camera models for some reason. I think partially because Elstree is very triad-dependent still, and partially because they have to be cost-effective, without needing all the facilities that an entertainment camera might need)
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A Question of Sport axe Sue, Matt and Phil

Flux posted:
I don’t get the impression they’re planning on moving it post watershed, or even making it “edgy”. I think they’re just giving it a big refresh in the hope of injecting some new energy into it. It worked when Sue herself took over - there was a renewed interest in the show and it suddenly felt very fresh again.



There was a tendering process for A Question of Sport a year or two ago which BBC Studios won, and thus retained the production contract. It could well be that their plans for a refresh of the format were part of that successful tender.

(Lots of people assume BBC Sport make the show, but it's made by the Entertainment and Music arm of BBC Studios)
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September 11th attacks - 19 years ago

There are a couple of explanations for the LIVE bug changing. The LIVE bug was generated by a separate graphic source and keyed on a separate keyer (the graphics box doing it could also say Latest News, News Update or similar and could be changed with a simple key pad next to the vision mixer)

If there was a sharing of output between News 24 and BBC World then there could have been a reason to change the live bug at a certain point as the feeds used to send to the two networks were changed etc.
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This Morning

Arguably that sends the wrong message about social distancing though - particularly if some of the audience don't understand that they aren't sitting next to each other.
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NOW TV

Sky did announce a 'dish-less Sky' solution - though it looks as if that may have fallen by the wayside. If they can implement the same functionality as Sky Q - but without a dish - that's a very different proposition to Now TV? Now TV is a cheap-and-cheerful OTT offering with no local storage, lower picture quality etc. If Sky X in the UK were Sky Q without a dish - that would be a very different proposition - but it would rely on decent broadband infrastructure (not UK Fibre-to-the-cabinet low speed <70Mbs connections.).
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Newsnight

valley posted:
noggin posted:
valley posted:
Not really - you can be 1m apart with safety measures such as PPE. Depends on the risk assessment and safe working rules for each building as to whether this is acceptable. Many studio crews but particularly scenehands and sparks are now working on the 1m+ with PPE rule.


Those rules are not in play at NBH. (The only current PPE-allowed exception in NBH I'm aware of is for sound assistants to assist with mics and earpieces if wearing visors and disposable gloves, approaching from behind, and a contact log made for each intervention for Track and Trace purposes.)

The use of PPE and 1m Plus mitigation doesn't seem to be BBC-wide yet, and there is definitely a view that if you don't have to get closer than 2m, then you shouldn't. In other words, it's last resort not business as usual.

I was speaking more generally, but yep. It’s tricky and not ideal. I’m not surprised NBH isn’t yet operating under such arrangements, since there have been issues elsewhere.


Yes - I think in studios that can only operate with full set/strike productions (like Studioworks at Elstree and TC1 and TC2 at TVC) there is going to be a strong push to run with 1m+ as otherwise you can't operate the business, and the studios would be dark.

However NBH studios can be left set standing with minimal set/strike and in those situations I think the argument will be that putting staff at greater risk than is absolutely necessary isn't justifiable.
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Newsnight

valley posted:
noggin posted:
m_in_m posted:
Perhaps they want to avoid the need for furniture to be changed. For the time being it reduces risk to all involved, and longer term may unfortunately, reduce cost.


However at the moment with the 2m social distancing rules in play, any furniture moves have to be possible with one person (and so the furniture must be light enough for a single person to move safely), or the furniture must be large enough that two people can safely lift it whilst not ever being closer than 2m to each other.

This is one of the major issues in studio production at the moment. Even holding a ladder for someone can be tricky if you have to stay 2m apart at all times.

Not really - you can be 1m apart with safety measures such as PPE. Depends on the risk assessment and safe working rules for each building as to whether this is acceptable. Many studio crews but particularly scenehands and sparks are now working on the 1m+ with PPE rule.


Those rules are not in play at NBH. (The only current PPE-allowed exception in NBH I'm aware of is for sound assistants to assist with mics and earpieces if wearing visors and disposable gloves, approaching from behind, and a contact log made for each intervention for Track and Trace purposes.)

The use of PPE and 1m Plus mitigation doesn't seem to be BBC-wide yet, and there is definitely a view that if you don't have to get closer than 2m, then you shouldn't. In other words, it's last resort not business as usual.
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Newsnight

m_in_m posted:
Stuart posted:
House posted:
Re: furniture, perhaps the stuff from B doesn’t fit comfortably into the new (potentially smaller) set, or they need something that can remain in situ and work across multiple programming strands?

If they've got a sofa in there, then they can put in 3 chairs. Set furniture is often changed between programmes on standing sets, not just the lighting.

54D could also serve as a new home for Marr.

Perhaps they want to avoid the need for furniture to be changed. For the time being it reduces risk to all involved, and longer term may unfortunately, reduce cost.


However at the moment with the 2m social distancing rules in play, any furniture moves have to be possible with one person (and so the furniture must be light enough for a single person to move safely), or the furniture must be large enough that two people can safely lift it whilst not ever being closer than 2m to each other.

This is one of the major issues in studio production at the moment. Even holding a ladder for someone can be tricky if you have to stay 2m apart at all times.
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New Sky channels: Crime, Comedy, Documentaries, Nature

Stuart posted:
valley posted:
J. Lyric posted:
I feel like I should clarify:

Sky Sport has 14 channels. Has HD equivalents. Sky Sport Bundesliga has 10. Also has HD equivalents. Sky Sport Austria, as mentioned previously, has four. Again, has HD equivalents.

It’s even more confusing than the UK channel list.

How come Sky Deutchland have so many channels for football? Do they show EVERYTHING down to even the local scout group 5-a-side matches?


Could it be that there are lots of simultaneous matches ?
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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

Charlie Wells posted:
JamesLaverty1925 posted:
deejay posted:
The Last Night of the Proms can be a very fluid in its off air time, but a lot of Proms concerts are actually time delayed by half an hour or so and don’t generally overrun, because there is a fixed programme of music and encores are not usual (in the standard concerts at any rate).


Correct. Normally Proms coverage starts at 8 or 8.30, but the concerts always start earlier at 7.30. I go every year, and found out. When Katie Derham (or whoever) are doing the intro, it is usually recorded during the interim, or even as the previous prom is finishing.

I imagine a time delay as such allows for anything unexpected to be cut. Ordinarily a high profile event such as Last Night might be rather tempting for protestors (e.g. BLM or XR) if it was being aired completely live.


No - the time delay is nothing really to do with that. It's because the Proms concerts at the RAH need to start earlier than is ideal for the live broadcast slots the BBC want to broadcast them in.

If the actual concerts started later, they'd finish later, causing transport and local residents issues in the area.
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Windows Technology

I used Windows v1 on RM Nimbus 80186 not-quite-PCs at school
Jonwo posted:
I'm surprised XP is still used in self service tills, would have thought most would have switched to Windows 7 or even Windows 10 for security reasons.


I suspect if the tills are on a private network and not the internet - the security concerns may be different?