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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

Inspector Sands posted:
noggin posted:

Yep - though Redux has only been running since mid-2007. (Earlier stuff on it is digitised VHS viewing copies largely)

Though they seem to have been taken out of the search database even though they still exist on the archive.

It's still a decade's worth of off airs, as I say the answer 'we've lost the programme' isn't applicable any more like it was in 2001


AIUI they are still there - just a lot of people had their 'Archive' rights removed when they changed the access levels. Similarly people in BBC Studios who had access to ITV, C4 and C5 stuff on Redux lost that too.
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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

james-2001 posted:
I always wondered why BBC News 24 was in 16:9 from day one, doesn't really seem to make much sense. It's not like anyone could watch it that way until digital launched nearly a year later, none of the news packages would have been 16:9, or the programmes they showed on the channel, and the regular news bulletins were still in 4:3 for nearly 3 years after the channel launched. I can understand them wanting it 16:9 capable and ready, but it seems to me it would have made more sense to keep it in 4:3 and flick the switch later, possibly the same time the regular bulletins did.

Equally it made no sense building a new 4:3 studio, and given that 16:9 outlets were imminent, it made a lot of sense to build a 16:9 studio and to gain experience running a 16:9 news operation. Yes - you could have built a 16:9 studio then run it 4:3 for a bit - but you'd just be deferring the learning process... Far better to make mistakes when nobody is watching (that was pretty much the mantra for the first year or three of News 24 after all)


ARCing the output to 14L12 was hardly that tricky...

ISTR that the 14L12 feed for analogue cable ceased quite soon after the launch of DSat, DTT (and I think DCab) in Nov 1998 - almost exactly a year after launch, on the same day that News 24 moved from N9 to N8. (That was also the day that the 'National Regional News' opt-out fillers branded UK Today launched)
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Children In Need 2017

Steve in Pudsey posted:
Isn't Elstree D bigger than TC1 when its audience seating is in use?


I believe so (though whether it's actually that significant a difference is another matter) - mainly because TC1s audience is in usable floor space, whereas Elstree D's audience is annexed. TC1 is the more flexible studio and more suitable for a quick set/strike than Elstree D.
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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

VMPhil posted:
noggin posted:

Yes - however the two screen grabs in question are clearly the same camera offering the same shot (albeit one is a tiny bit tighter than the other) and Sarah and Gavin are looking at it and reading to it...

I don't think the shot is tighter, I think it's that the off-air recording is 14:9 letterbox in a 4:3 frame as that's how it went out initially to cable viewers. This has then been cropped to 16:9 (and seemingly distorted a little, stretched as not to cut off the clock perhaps?)


Here is the off-air screengrab with the distortion corrected and overlaid onto the clean 16:9 screengrab.

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(Apologies for anyone bored by this forensic investigation into News 24 presentation of 1997)


Very good point. Though the NTL cable feed and BBC One feed was 14L12 (i.e. 16:9 letterboxes to 14:9 in a 4:3 frame) with no stretch, only crop and shrink.
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International News Presentation: Past and Present

Gary McEwan posted:
cityprod posted:
Sri Lanka have a news service called ITN News. The ITN stands for Independent Television Network.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC88PBCdcRA

Is it just me or does this sound a little BBC News-esque?


It's DR's previous TV Avisen music...


Beat me to it - very clearly DR's music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdvZJCQ7JAw
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ITN-Sky News merger

Isn't Sky News pretty heavily subsidised by the wider Sky network? That's why threatening to divest it = threatening to close it. Selling it on as a loss-making concern isn't a great business opportunity is it
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3D 4K TV Concerns

Fewer and fewer new TVs include 3D I'm afraid - replacement models for older 3D-capable models are dropping it, usually in favour of high dynamic range (aka HDR)

The same is true of curved TVs - they are reducing in number too.
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BBC Oneness - idents and presentation

D.Page posted:
Mountain Rescue to lead into Remembrance Sunday The Cenotaph. Thoughtless selection. Where's the conveyance of gravitas and poignancy in that one? Should have been Forest. Although this one conveys neither, at least it conveys a sense of calm and tranquility.


Mountain Rescue does also nod to public service and selflessness too.
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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

deejay posted:
Getting material from an agency who once produced branding for the BBC would have a high cost, whereas running an off air copy, reingested and ARCd appropriately wouldn’t (it would come under fair use policy I think), and would be of good enough quality, given that it was, after all, only on air again for a few seconds.


No real concept of 'fair use' in UK broadcast law as far as I'm aware.

There is 'fair dealing' - where you can use content for quotation, criticism or review, or reporting current events. In all three cases you need to credit the original authors and/or owners of the work (usually by use of an on-screen credit). (If ever you see a director or writer credited on a film clip, chances are it is being fair dealt and hasn't been purchased as a clip)

You also have to run past legal in most cases - to ensure you aren't going to cause issues elsewhere in the BBC which may have an existing contract with the material's owner.

Or you could do what News do which is ignore all this...

Sport coverage is covered by separate agreements and not fair dealt usually.
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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

Rkolsen posted:
VMPhil posted:
I've just noticed that the two versions of the launch day clip with Gavin Esler and Sarah Montague are actually different recordings altogether (or 'takes' if you will). The clean version is perhaps from a rehearsal earlier on in the day.

It's quite subtle but Gavin Esler's delivery is a little different, and more obviously the monitor to the left of Sarah Montague is showing them live on the air in the off-air recording with the burnt in clock, whereas on the clean recording with no graphics it's showing something else (the Prelude programme that was on before?)

Play a game of spot the difference (besides the dodgy aspect ratio in the off-air recording)

Clean (watch)
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Off-air (watch)
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Maybe there was a separate camera nearby filming a package for one of the main bulletins? With a major launch like this I’d imagine there would be some there getting b-roll on stills.


Yes - however the two screen grabs in question are clearly the same camera offering the same shot (albeit one is a tiny bit tighter than the other) and Sarah and Gavin are looking at it and reading to it...
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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

Inspector Sands posted:
Charlie Wells posted:

It's quite possible the BBC's policy has changed since then.

Maybe, although that sounds fairly reasonable in terms of workflow even now when storage is bigger and cheaper. If you've not clipped out any useful material after 3 months you're never going to


As I say one big change is that systems like Redux exist now. That records the transport streams containing all the BBCs channels and stores them permanently. So in the case of the story behind that blog, these days there would be a continuous off air recording (at least of the News Channel, maybe not World) of the output for a lot more than 90 days


Yep - though Redux has only been running since mid-2007. (Earlier stuff on it is digitised VHS viewing copies largely)
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20 years of the BBC News Channel (BBC News 24)

Rkolsen posted:
deejay posted:
The countdown filler came about as a way of buffering up to the exact top of the hour. With no adverts, regions or affiliates, or even an MCR type Presentation department involved in the transmission of News 24/Channel, it’s always meant that programme timings aren’t that critical. However the top of the hour is almost always hit to the second and so the flags and then countdowns were conceived as a way of running some channel promotion which could be joined as required already running up to the top of the hour.


Okay. Sounds like it was just so you didn’t have to cut content or find trails for upcoming programs to fit the exact time to the top of the hour.


Yes and no. News 24 has no separate Playout operation, and works very similarly to BBC Radio 5 Live. The use of a pre-fade to get you to the top of the hour is a well known and well used TV and Radio technique (they are also used to get regular shows to an off-air time accurately) The countdown is just a very nicely designed example of a pre-fade.

The News 24 gallery operation could add and drop promos to get approximately to the top of the hour - but would never hit 'second accurate' without the prefade, as the promos were almost always 30" long - with no more granularity to play with than that (there were some exceptions to the 30" rule). It was always a rule on News 24 that you hit the top of the hour to the second - just like some radio channels hit the pips.