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BBC Breakfast

Hatton Cross posted:

Suppose you could use Studio E on the plaza, but I guess the reaction of the scene shifters having to swap a green sofa for a red one and then the sectional pieces of the 'One' logo out of the way of the windows, and back again 11 times per week..


The One Show studio isn't Studio E... And the letter elements inside the studio are not currently moveable... (Sunday Morning Live cover them up)

Scene shifting wouldn't be a major issue - Film 2010 onwards managed it, as did Rip Off Britain Live, Front Row, Proms Extra etc. which all came from that studio. It does cost money to pay people to do it though... There is a lighting solution to cope with daylight programmes during the winter, when the studio doesn't have permanent Neutral Density film on the windows, which is used by Sunday Morning Live.

Bigger issue though is that News probably wouldn't want to pay BBC Television for using the studio, and the current studio set-up doesn't use the News automation systems (and I doubt BBC Television would want to compromise their control room and re-engineer it to run in both automated and non-automated modes)

Of course News could do a 45 minute 0830-0915 show there if they wanted to - but I don't think there is any appetite to do so. Breakfast is a successful show at the moment - so why change it and make it more expensive?

Also - given that the BBC committed to a minimum head count in Salford (I believe a requirement of receiving regional development funds) which department would you move in to Salford if you moved Breakfast out?
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Winter Olympics 2018

UKnews posted:

What percentage of the viewing public chose the BBC 1 or BBC 4 coverage last year? What difference will they notice from this Olympics on?


I think parking the Winters in this discussion is probably a good idea. The audiences for them are relatively small and the BBC has never gone 'all out' on them.

However the Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympic Games will be the time when the audience really does notice the changes.

Only one proper TV channel will be carrying shows - not two (so BBC Four won't need to be re-engineered to run 24 hours I guess - as all the Olympic TV content will presumably be on BBC One OR BBC Two - but not at the same time. I wonder if Discovery/Eurosport/IOC will allow handover simulcast windows - I suspect they will)

Then one Digital (i.e. Red Button / Streaming) channel for coverage of a second event. And that's it...

I think the lack of being able to watch the events you want to watch, uninterrupted will be significant, as no doubt both TV and Digital streams will be editorially driven and skewed to 'big hitters', with minor competitors in minor sports participation, or full coverage of events without interruption, only available via a Discovery/Eurosport subscriptions.

Given that Red Button streams were getting healthy viewing figures in the BARB ratings during 2012 - I think the public were very aware of them.
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Rkolsen posted:
Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:

No - you've got it backwards.

The Andrew Marr Show is a programme on BBC One only. It is scheduled on BBC One 0900-1000 on Sundays, but doesn't generally get produced when Parliament is in recess. Looks like the team behind BBC One scheduling scheduled the show during recess, but the team making the show didn't think they were making one... (In the industry this is known as a 'cock up')

So the team supporting BBC One Playout (i.e. NC1) rang TC7 - the studio that made The Andrew Marr Show - to line-up before their scheduled transmission, only to find nobody there. As a result they instead took an hour of the BBC News Channel - which would be producing an hour of output anyway - as the News Channel didn't (and doesn't) routinely take The Andrew Marr Show.


So the show team didn’t know. That’s a major screw up.


On the phone so can’t edit (without messing up the post). Was it a scheduling error from Playout or the team not show up?

I don't think I found out who was 'to blame' - I think there were issues on both sides. Blame is seldom useful, what is important is making sure it doesn't happen in the future. Chances are an email was missed and a secondary check not made.

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If it was a latter wouldn’t people notice that a portion of staff weren’t showing up or somehow through out the week certain materials weren’t being sent?

Ha ha ha!

No.

Billings for news shows (and I think all shows) will have a place holder made by scheduling - so the show would have been listed generically. Weekly talk shows like this may have a production team in the week of just two people - and if they work in their own office - who would see them not come in? Or, in fact, they may well have been coming in as usual and instead just working on forward planning future shows.

Not sure what 'certain materials' you are talking about. Other than a billing there isn't much that happens other than 'on the day'. Bookings and Billings are all semi-automated, and the operational and 'live' team would only be booked for the Sunday broadcast.

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I imagine during a show like that there’d be meetings with producers, networks and news division heads.


You'd imagine wrong... Shows like this in the UK are pretty independent. There may be a weekly meeting that programme teams went to in News, but it wouldn't be unusual for the editor of one show not to be there. It would be unusual for the show to have to meet with any Network teams - commissioners, controllers etc. as News output is pretty independent of networks day-to-day. (There may be meetings about overall strategy - but content decisions are editorially independent day-to-day)

However in this case nobody in the news structure would have imagined that the show had been scheduled - as it was a weekend when Parliament was in recess I believe?

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That perhaps guest lists would be released so it could be promoted ahead of time (maybe in the NaT and the regions if a MP or someone else was appearing). And that any transportation arrangements and accommodations that would normally be booked weren’t being made.


Again - you're approaching this the wrong way. It's more a case that nobody would have assumed the show WERE going to be broadcast that weekend - other than scheduling. News, the production team, other operational teams wouldn't be expecting there to b a show - so wouldn't have been worried nothing was happening. (That doesn't mean it was a mistake by scheduling, just that a misunderstanding or miscommunication between teams wasn't picked up).

Shows like Marr would be booking their transport on Saturday evening, and probably wouldn't release guest lists until quite late on (the Saturday evening news might trail them - but wouldn't expect to if there wasn't due to be a Marr).

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Also find it strange (from an American perspective) that shows go on hiatus when parliament it in recess. There’s still so much going on behind the scenes even if there’s nothing scheduled on Capitol Hill.


DC and Westminster are very different places. Our MPs are usually back in their constituencies during recess - and politics slows down, as the Commons and Lords are not in session..
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Foreign drama thread (BBC4, C4's Walter Pres, Sky Arts etc)

MrDexB posted:
noggin posted:
London Lite posted:
Whatever people may think of pay tv, Sky Atlantic and Arts have been a godsend for world drama for the shows Walter Presents haven't acquired for All4.


And they're in watchable quality... All4-only content (which is much of the Walter Presents catalogue) not being available on Sky VOD means I've given up trying to watch. The quality is dismal via their streaming routes (Chromecast, iOS app and HDMI Cable, browser etc.)


Hope not to come across too biased, but the PS4 streaming seems to be decent, even though they don’t bother to upload in HD, and is literally the only subtitled programming, with no subtitles available for programmes in English.


What size screen are you watching on. All the All4 streamed content I've seen looks sub-SD quality (massively worsse than Sky's SD VOD - let alone HD - on a Sky+HD box) when watched on a 50" display (i.e. my 4K TV)
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Foreign drama thread (BBC4, C4's Walter Pres, Sky Arts etc)

London Lite posted:
Whatever people may think of pay tv, Sky Atlantic and Arts have been a godsend for world drama for the shows Walter Presents haven't acquired for All4.


And they're in watchable quality... All4-only content (which is much of the Walter Presents catalogue) not being available on Sky VOD means I've given up trying to watch. The quality is dismal via their streaming routes (Chromecast, iOS app and HDMI Cable, browser etc.)
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This Morning Breakdown

Rkolsen posted:
Surprised one backup wasn’t satellite especially with several hours of live programming going out each day. Use same transponder for the TLS programs and later for ITV News.


But it looks like they got back online by feeding the circuit through ITN who fed it to the NOC.





I'm not surprised at all.

The BT Tower has been an integral part of the ITV Network for decades and until relatively recently was deemed robust enough to handle both main and reserve routing due to independent arrangements for power, routing etc. for BAU stuff. I think questions are now being asked.

There was a very prominent failure a couple of years ago that meant some high profile ITV shows started to use Digital microwave circuits as backup backhaul connectivity, and I am aware of some BBC shows that plan a 'non-Tower' route for very high profile content, but for day-to-day ITV routing it has been the norm literally for decades. It used to be an absolutely key element of how ITV operated in the days of the regional franchises actually operating as regional franchises.

Also - strong possibility any satellite uplink and downlink may well have been routed via the BT Tower at both ends anyway... I don't think TLS have their own on-site uplinks (they are rare inside the M25) - so they'd need to route to an off-site uplink - and I suspect that would have been via local ends to BT Tower...
deejay, UKnews and TROGGLES gave kudos
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Rkolsen posted:
elmarko posted:
thegeek posted:

There was that time that there was a billed edition of Andrew Marr, but no actual show because Parliament was in recess - supposedly the first NC1 knew of it was when they called through to TC7 to line up, and didn't get any response, so an hour of the News Channel went out instead.

Honestly this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. My god.


Okay, just so I understand the operators of newschannel callled TC7 Studio to line up the feeds but got no response. So the people operating the newschannel were able to put together an hour show in time? Did that hour of newschannel go out on One?


No - you've got it backwards.

The Andrew Marr Show is a programme on BBC One only. It is scheduled on BBC One 0900-1000 on Sundays, but doesn't generally get produced when Parliament is in recess. Looks like the team behind BBC One scheduling scheduled the show during recess, but the team making the show didn't think they were making one... (In the industry this is known as a 'cock up')

So the team supporting BBC One Playout (i.e. NC1) rang TC7 - the studio that made The Andrew Marr Show - to line-up before their scheduled transmission, only to find nobody there. As a result they instead took an hour of the BBC News Channel - which would be producing an hour of output anyway - as the News Channel didn't (and doesn't) routinely take The Andrew Marr Show.
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South West England & CI Thread

Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
Markymark posted:

Yes, but that wouldn't be cost effective, evident by the fact some ITV HD regions (all of which significantly larger than CTV's) also are not available on DTT (but are on D-Sat)


I don't think you can equate what happens elsewhere within ITV plc and what happens on the Channel Islands...

Removal of ITV - or lack of provision of ITV - isn't ITV's issue is it? It's presumably the BBC/ATOS/Arqiva's? ITV are presumably not paying the BBC for carriage on PSB3 on the Channel Islands, so the BBC/Arqiva/ATOS must presumably create an ITV-free variant, as a result?


Well, I'm not sure, as CTV are now fully owned (?) by ITV PLC what's to stop one of the other ITV HD regions being provided there ? The same question applies to ITV+1 on PSB 2, whose place is taken by ITV 3 on that
mux.


Surely there are compliance issues for a random ITV region to be broadcast in the Channel Islands? It's not part of the UK and advertisers would have to ensure their adverts were correctly tailored (as per the days when TVS was carried over night?)
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South West England & CI Thread

Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

However I wouldn't be surprised if there was just a separate coding and mux chain for Channel Islands PSB3 that excludes ITV HD - just as there are special versions for ITV HD regions.


Yes, but that wouldn't be cost effective, evident by the fact some ITV HD regions (all of which significantly larger than CTV's) also are not available on DTT (but are on D-Sat)


I don't think you can equate what happens elsewhere within ITV plc and what happens on the Channel Islands...

Removal of ITV - or lack of provision of ITV - isn't ITV's issue is it? It's presumably the BBC/ATOS/Arqiva's? ITV are presumably not paying the BBC for carriage on PSB3 on the Channel Islands, so the BBC/Arqiva/ATOS must presumably create an ITV-free variant, as a result?
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South West England & CI Thread

DVB Cornwall posted:
All the info I've read since the intro of DVBT2 on BBC'B' has always indicated that there is a specifically coded version of the mux which wholly excludes ITV. I've not heard of a 'masked' service being sent over to The Channel Islands. That could be wrong, but this is genuinely the first time I've heard of the 'masked' concept anywhere.


A 'masked' version and 'specially coded' version could easily be the same thing - its just semantics isn't it? (I guess technically it would be safer to say 'specially muxed' version)

However I wouldn't be surprised if there was just a separate coding and mux chain for Channel Islands PSB3 that excludes ITV HD - just as there are special versions for ITV HD regions.
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South West England & CI Thread

Inspector Sands posted:
Or it's the same variant that the south gets, but they get a different service table?


I suspect they'd still Null Packet out the ITV HD PIDs to avoid reception using DIY solutions (like a PC with a DVB-T2 stick that lets you manually force VID and AID PIDs)
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South West England & CI Thread

Markymark posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I would be amazed if they hadn't rationalised that when they moved Channel to smaller premises rather than building playout facilities?

It may be that Chiswick treats Channel as a sub region of Meridian.


If Chiswick is involved, then implementing an HD version of it should be easy, or at the very least providing an HD version to the islands (Meridian Kent HD for instance ?) which hasn't happened yet.

That's what makes me think Channel are still doing local pres, in their new building. It's not that complicated
if they are, I suspect a similar operation to a BBC English region, using the news studio gallery and servers for the pres facility too ?


Yep - and PSB3 coding and mux is handled by the BBC/Atos - so the Channel "HD" feed would need to be backhauled to both BBC coding and mux premises to create a Channel Islands specific variant of PSB3? (I'm guessing at the moment they take another variant and just remove ITV HD and replace it with null packets?, or create an ITV-less version)