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Playing .mkv files on my TV

ffmpeg is an amazingly useful command line utility for Windows, Linux and Mac OS - and there are GUIs for it too.

You can re-wrap MKV content into MP4 - and transcode audio and/or video content if the codecs used are not compatible with your TV. It really is worth learning how to use it. (The BBC have contributed some of their research into it - including a nice implementation of their previously-patented Weston 3-field deinterlacer)
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London Live

Didn't it take the BBC decades to offer a regional news service (on TV) in London - think it was the 80s, and even then it wasn't until the turn of the century London got a dedicated region of it's own.


Yep - BBC London was formed when BBC Oxford and BBC South East were split away from the previous Newsroom South East operation.

However BBC London covers an area far larger than London - including lots of home counties areas - not that you'd know by watching the show...
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Winter Olympics 2018

a516 posted:

EDIT: Eurosport 1 HD will be FTA on German DVB-T2 for the duration of the Games. In Germany SD is free-to-air, but DVB-T2 is an HD-only platform where commercial channels are encrypted.


Not quite the case. There are 960x540/50p 'SD' (i.e. quarter 1920x1080/50p HD) channels on DVB-T2 (QVC for instance). Germany decided against allowing 720x576/50i on their T2 platform, but had to accommodate an SD-equivalent resolution - which is 540p.

http://digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?liste=1&live=18&lang=en&mux=FREENET-TV-3 shows QVC, HSE24 and Bibel TV are all 'SD')

However I think the switchover means all T is being shutdown, and all broadcasts will be T2. As a result all the SD FTA / HD Pay-TV stations end up being pay-TV only on terrestrial once the SD version on the T muxes have gone.

if you look at digitalbitrate.com for Munich you can see all but one mux is now T2. The services that don't have listed resolutions are encrypted.
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Playing .mkv files on my TV

MKV is a wrapper, like AVI or MP4. It can contain any number of different audio and video codecs. To play MKVs you need something that is compatible with the MKV wrapper format AND compatible with the audio and video codec within the file. (You can easily end up with solutions that play one MKV file, but not another)

VLC is a Swiss Army Knife of a media player for PCs - and it includes MKV wrapper support and a lot of video codecs (it leverages ffmpeg internally I believe)- but it won't hardware accelerate all formats (H264 usually does well though) so you may find it judders and drops frames on high-end stuff (4K HEVC for instance)

If you are on a PC - MPC-HC is a good shout, particularly if you use it with the lavfilters which it comes with usually (LAV includes MKV wrapper support and audio and video decoders). The LAV Video decoder gives you a lot of flexibility in hardware acceleration config too.

Kodi also works brilliantly on Mac, Linux and Windows - and includes lots of hardware acceleration and built in Kodi support. It also has a great 'TV' UI. It isn't just for dodgy uses...

If you want a standalone player solution - then Kodi using LibreElec installed on a Raspberry Pi will do HD stuff up to H264 (and has zero problems with MKV wrappers). If your MKV contains H265 then look at something more like an AMLogic S905 or S905X device - but running LibreElec (which is Kodi + a cut-down Linux OS) is also a very good fit. If you like Pi-type devices then an ODroid C2 is a good fit, or otherwise there are any number of £30-40 S905X boxes (Sold as Android - but you can boot them into LibreElec from a uSD card in most cases)

Some smart TVs have built in MKV support - but beware they may not be an optimal solution. (My Sony TV runs at a fixed 60Hz when playing files back - so 50Hz stuff looks like junk on it)
London Lite and bilky asko gave kudos
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The Sport Thread

Ste posted:
I can't see the draw mentioned in the BT Sports schedules, but I wonder what the international broadcasters did went they went outside to Matt and Alex for them to interview fans and then close the One Show?

There was an obvious opt out point, Jake even mentioned it.


Yes - the agreed opt post is always when the draw presenter says words to the effect of that concludes the draw, and when the matches will be played.
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Eurosport Player

I saw an episode of the Antiques Roadshow being shot last year (wasn't planned, just happened to be where they were doing it that day), and they were definately still using proper TV cameras.


Almost all 'proper' cameras sold these days will do both 1080/50i and 1080/25p (though it is sometimes a licensed option to enable 25p). That said - not all cameras do 25p, the cheaper models are sometimes 1080i/720p only - like the HSC 300s used in NBH (but I believe the HSC 300RF has 25p an option...)

AIUI Antiques Roadshow switched from shooting 1080/50i on 2/3" sensor cameras (like HDC2500/PMW500s) to 1080/25p on large sensor cameras (like the F5/F55).

There is no reason you have to shoot 25p on these cameras (it's perfectly possible to shoot 50i on most of them - I've certainly done it with F55s) - but the 25p decision is a production one.
Last edited by noggin on 30 January 2018 1:02am
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Eurosport Player

All shot those Canon SLR-like cameras now aren’t they? 300s?


C300s are single-sensor cameras - but they are pretty high quality ones that hit EBU tiering for both sensor and codec performance (and you can shoot 50Hz as well as 25Hz on them...)

They are a big step-up in quality from most DSLRs and generate very decent pictures if operated well.
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

This may have popped up elsewhere so sorry if it has but did anyone see the new look paper review over the weekend. They seem to be using graphic overlays such as the papers scrolling round the desk and the paper they are reviewing layered over the glass wall, same tech as they use for match of the day.


Almost the same tech.

The rendering for both is Viz derived I believe.

On MOTD they are using a manual jib with additional motion sensors added to it to capture position and PTZ data (I think the jib base has to work in a fixed position for this - as I don't think base position is captured and is, instead, pre-set).

For the News Channel Papers AR - they are just using data from the Furio that already exists (as the camera's position on the track, pan, tilt, zoom and focus is remotely controlled).
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Eurosport Player

Though TV producers are obsessed 25p anyway these days, so someone out there probably think it looks "better" that way anyway...

I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.


You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action...


They have nothing to do with those preview and retrospective highlights sequences then, in 25p, added grain, and totally screwed up gamma etc ?


In a word no... Those are produced by PSC directors/producers, or a VT producer - not the directors who cut the match usually.

Personally I don't find those objectionable - as they are trying to make a clear delineation between live coverage and retrospective 'narrative' stuff (25p and some grading really make that clear), but the sport director responsible for the match probably wouldn't have anything to do with those sequences, no...

I think that some of the elements of BBC Sport (and C4 Sport these days) "produced sequences" mean they are incredibly polished and visually creative, and so much better than if everything were shot 50i on a 2/3" camera and left ungraded in straight 709...
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Eurosport Player

Though TV producers are obsessed 25p anyway these days, so someone out there probably think it looks "better" that way anyway...

I wouldn't be suprised if there's some producers that would film live sport "film look" if they could. When they're sticking it on so many inappropriate shows like Gardener's World and the Antiques Roadshow, I'd put nothing past them now.


You don't find many sports directors who like 25p for action... There's a reason 4K UHD is 2160/50p not 2160/25p... They aren't switching the host broadcast feeds of any. major sporting events to 25p either...

25p often works well for the nicely shot features stuff, and I don't mind it being used to treat highlights in a similar manner...
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Eurosport Player

Just thought I'd give the Amazon Prime TV Channel 7-day free trial a go. I had hoped that a sports channel would run at 50Hz, but no - all the live and on-demand stuff is a horrible 50->25Hz downconversion (the horrible bit refers to it taking place - not that it's a technically bad conversion) I've tried on both on an nVidia Shield running Android TV (configured 4K 50 Rec 709 output) and via the web browser on my laptop...

If iPlayer can do 50Hz - why on earth aren't premium services? Sport is shot at 50Hz for a reason...

If IP platform operators and service providers want us to ditch cable or satellite - they'll need to up their quality.

I get why NowTV runs at a lower quality - they want to be seen as a 'cheap and cheerful' alternative to 'fulll quality, full price' Sky.

I don't get why Amazon - who are pushing 4K and HDR - aren't also pushing full quality TV... Surely they want to be better than Sky or BT, not worse?


It's one of the reasons I'd rather stay with broadcast TV and DVD/Blu-ray for now, when most internet streaming services are stuck at 24/25/30p even for 50/60hz content. It's a step backwards really.


Yep - but with some content (like the Winter Olympics) now moving from BBC Red Button and BBC iPlayer (high quality 720p50) streaming to Eurosport (which appears to be stuck at p25) - it's a real pain...
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Feeds to Irish Channels

I'd only compare transport streams (and the video decoded from them on the same platform and display) - anything else is adding too many variables.

I’ll try recording the Briefing from BBC World News HD and BBC News HD get it trimmed down so they are both exact length, the one thing I am expecting there is the BBC World News HD file to be larger then the BBC News HD one as the bitrate on BBC World News HD always hovers on the 8.3mbps mark.


Just to be clear I meant the visual quality of the bitstream - not the file size. Bitrate doesn't tell you the whole story unless you are comparing the same encoders with the same configurations (and running the same firmware)

Is the BBC News HD recording from DSat or DTT?