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Eurosport - Home Of The Olympics

The Eurosport Sweden studio in Korea, used for Kanal 5 output (the middle picture above), is incredibly neat.

It has AR foreground graphics and virtual screens which are keyed over Olympic ring physical set elements (so disappear when not in-use rather than remaining with a holding graphic in them as a physical screen would) However the year also using the jib tracking data for generating content for the large LED 'wraparound' screen behind the hosts and presenters. (This AR is very similar to the treatment that BBC Sport used in Rio.)

This LED screen has content that is tracked to the jib so it gives huge depth and parallax - as the jib cranes up and tilts down, or tracks the LED content changes perfectly locked to it (I think they are taking a 4K beauty shot a lot of the time). They then have overlaid 'frosted window' effects that are also in the LED screen overlaid over the tracking background. The result is incredibly effective. (This is a similar technique to that used on the projector graphics that the BBC used on the Scottish Referendum results.)
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AppleTV 4K and Apple Video Services.

A newly updated YouTube app has launched on the Apple TV, and er, well. It's terrible.

It's like Amazon's app in that it's their standard smart TV app that has been lightly adapted for the Apple TV. The worst thing is that when playing a video it uses some custom seek bar instead of the standard one, which means you can't do things like scrubbing through the video, double tap to change the playback time to a clock to see when your video will end, and triple tap to turn on subtitles. It also means you can't play/pause or scrub through a video using the Apple TV app on iOS anymore (bizarre!).

Disappointing that these big players can't make native apps that don't feel like some sort of web wrapper.


My understanding is that Apple TV is still a very 'minor' player as a media outlet (compared to tablet and phone) and even though Apple have sensibly made tvOS very similar to iOS for developers (to reduce development costs) - tvOS apps are very low down in the priorities of most media providers.
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New Meridian, BBC South & South East Thread

I saw a picture of Southampton Studio A on a Facebook group earlier which mentioned that it's undergoing regular safety checks


Yes - the downside of a lighting installation with proper hoists is that they have to be safety checked regularly, which means bringing them all down to their lowest positions.

Not an issue in most modern BBC English regional studios as they usually have much lower-cost, fixed-height lamps on tubular 'scaffold-style' constructions instead.
Last edited by noggin on 15 February 2018 12:21am
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Winter Olympics 2018


IIRC Turin was done to the same specification, but the HD experiments were ramped up significantly, including proper distribution at the IBC.


Yes - in Athens the HD coverage was simplified and only really worth watching for 'HD'. The Turin HD coverage was pretty comprehensive, which is why the BBC and other 16:9 SD broadcasters decided it was acceptable to use it. (I believe the 'MUNIs' were funded by the BBC and the Aussie broadcaster who held the rights at the time, who technically were HD but ran their Olympic operation in 16:9 SD)
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Broadcasting House, Salford Quays & TVC


It doesn't look as ruined as I first expected it to be, still looks like TVC (just bits of it taken down and replaced) - the Spur/Stage VI is interesting as Worldwide have moved in, and it looks like any old corporate HQ now in the reception area.


Worldwide are only in the former News Centre - which was known as Stage VI (and have been for quite a while), and which was effectively sealed off from the rest of the site during the building work.

Stage IV (aka Spur) and Stage V (which was originally mainly post production and offices - but also included N6 studio floor and N9 studio and gallery) were totally demolished.

The buildings now occupying the positions of Spur and Stage V on the site are totally new 'from the ground up' constructions. Originally there was a plan to retain the original Stage IV/V buildings, but they were pretty unremarkable, quite poor quality spaces, and used 60s and 80s building styles which are probably less well suited to modern usage. I can totally see why a new building has been constructed with space layouts more in line with the needs of the new occupants.

It was very strange to see TV Centre and Stage VI with empty space where Spur and Stage V used to be.
Last edited by noggin on 12 February 2018 12:27pm
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Big Brother UK Renewed

Jon posted:
I suspect on a per hour basis they are a lot cheaper than something like an episode of The Hotel Inspector.

I bet an hour of GP’s behind closed doors costs more than an hour of Big Brother. It’s also far less lucrative in terms of things like Product Placement and sponsorship.

But Channel 5 will repeat each episode of The Hotel Inspector many times. An episode of Big Brother is effectively dead 24 hours after original broadcast.


And the rights to The Hotel Inspector (and shows like it) will return to the indie that made it after a period, and they can then continue to sell it, which means C5 may pay less in the first place (as the indie knows it will regain sales rights and make money themselves from the show in the long term).

That won't be the case with Big Brother.
bilky asko and London Lite gave kudos
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Dancing on Ice

Ah! They did keep mentioning the noises but I couldn't hear anything major through the TV.


Which suggests the right decision was made in mic-ing people Smile
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Winter Olympics 2018


Now wasn’t there a recent games where there were two sets of HD feeds - one 4:3 safe and the other not?


Think Turin host feeds were 4:3 SD and 16:9 HD (I think the 4:3 SD was a 12F12 CCO rather than a separate cut - though were a couple of 4:3 SD events - like Curling and possibly some 16:9 SD upconverts).

As a number of broadcasters in Europe were 16:9 SD and not HD, some 16:9 SD broadcasters ended up paying for a 16:9 HD to SD downconversion. (These HD downconversions were called MUNIs rather than MULTIs - as they were only available to those who had paid for the conversion - so were halfway between a multi and a uni). I think the graphics were still 4:3 safe for HD outlets at that point though.

There could have been a more recent games where both options were available.
Last edited by noggin on 11 February 2018 9:53pm
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Winter Olympics 2018

dvboy posted:
Is there a data feed that OBS provide so they can translate them quickly?


Probably - and it's less translation, more rendering in a different way. I suspect the data is provided in a reasonably language agnostic way?
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Winter Olympics 2018


By language feeds I thought the OBS outputted different score graphics in different languages.


I don't believe that to be the case. AIUI OBS provide a main feed with a single style of graphics, which is in English (as much as English is used).
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Winter Olympics 2018

Speaking of Eurosport, here's a bit of their pres from around Europe (some of which has been airing on Discovery's other networks)
Germany:
***

Norway:
**
(they also have an IBC studio)

Sweden (from studios at the IBC and one of the hockey venues)
****


Netherlands:
**

Are Norway basically getting Eurosport coverage on TVNorge?


No - Sweden and Norway are doing pretty bespoke coverage for their main outlets. TV Norge in Norway, Kanal 5 in Sweden etc. are running their own 'proper' shows, but running as conventional channels still (like BBC One and Two do), with their Eurosport branded channels operating more as overspill services.

The studio on-air on Kanal 5 is very impressive, with a large LED screen wrapping around behind their sofa, with AR-style camera tracking allowing the the LED screen graphics to be filled with content tied to the camera movement, with a high-resolution beauty camera in it, that is hugely better than a flat 'window' screen that doesn't move.
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Winter Olympics 2018

Has anyone mixed up PyeongChang and Pyongyang yet? Or worse, ended up in the wrong one.


Think I just heard an SVT Nyheter presenter say PyongyangChang...