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ITV abandons the South Bank

Inspector Sands posted:
Yes the original White City building was an awful building, all felt very plastic and temporary.


An off-the-shelf designed building not designed for the BBC. Apparently there is (or was) an identical building housing a hospital in Saudi Arabia - or is that an urban legend?

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The only real reasons to go there if you didn't work in it were for the canteen, which was nicer than TV Centre's... and the BBC dentist, which does cloud my view of it somewhat (it was nice sharing a waiting room with the likes of Huw Edwards though)


The canteen was only good late in the day - once they opened the central garden area when they revamped it. The original canteen - like the rest of the building - was awful...
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Channel 4

Whataday posted:
Freesat is already the least watched platform - would be interested to know the reasoning behind their price increase.


AIUI Freesat is owned by the BBC and ITV. I suspect they are trying to share the platform costs more equally amongst those on the platform, and want to stop subsidising other channels on it, and as C4 is the most watched channel that isn't currently sharing the platform costs the new costing system is designed to remedy that? (There's no subscription income to pay for the platform - and there are real costs to operating it.)
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Channel 4

Wow - that's a major loss for Freesat. Hope this is just posturing...
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Feeds to Irish Channels

harshy posted:
Maybe, it is a channel that shares with Al Jazerra News English HD, it seems to be static at 8.3mbps maybe not enough bitrate for cable?


Would depend if the cable companies can remux without recoding I guess.

Will have a look at the PNGs in detail when I get a chance.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

JKDerry posted:
Ne1L C posted:
Sorry if this has has been answered already. Will GMB transfer to ITN's base?

Good Morning Britain along with Lorraine, This Morning and Loose Women will be moving to Television Centre in White City, and they will sub let Studios TC2 and TC3 for their use, as well as occupying office space in the WestWorks building at the television centre complex.


Just a note that The West Works, where ITV Daytime will have their production offices, is not in the Television Centre complex. The West Works building is part of White City Place - which is the new name for the former BBC Media Village site which is further up Wood Lane and very separate to the Television Centre site. (There's a road and a housing estate between them)

The West Works building is the building formerly known as 'BBC White City'/'BBC White City One' which has been refurbished and has now started to re-open. The former BBC Media Centre building - now known as 'The Media Works' is opposite and also part of The West Works.

The current BBC Broadcast Centre is at the end of the piazza (which used to be called 'The Network' when the BBC owned it) and the home of BBC Studios (not BBC Studioworks) and parts of Red Bee (was Ericsson)

(For those BBC building geeks here - The Garden House at the back of the Media Centre is now called the Garden House and part of The West Works. The Lighthouse, at the back of the Broadcast Centre is still part of the BBC operation on the site I think)
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The Sport Thread

623058 posted:
Is the BBC Olympic studio in the UK?


The windowed studio used by Clare Balding in the evenings is - it's in Salford (You can see Old Trafford, home of Manchester United, in the back of shot!).

There is - I believe - a small single camera studio in Korea which can be used by the presenters out there (who work overnight and early morning I think?)
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Eurovision 2018

tightrope78 - spot on. We do take for granted in the UK how many high quality entertainment show production teams we have. Smaller countries like Sweden have a much smaller pond to fish in...
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Winter Olympics 2018

Rkolsen posted:
Does the OBS provide ISO cameras to certain events such as hockey? It’s the type of sport where one feed would be good to all but I could see rights holders want to take different feeds to cut their own replays and highlights.

Usually only NBC take OBS cameras ISOed. Most other operations will deploy their own cameras if they want to cover specific players or competitors. The issue with going the NBC route is that only OBS will be directing the main event coverage cameras, and NBC won't have any control of them. They are useful for additional replays or highlights - but more dangerous to cut to live. Historically NBC have had some criticism in the US for 'dirtying up' the OBS feed - as dropping in your own cameras and replays can mean you hit jump cuts etc. as you leave and return to the OBS cut feed.

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That is in comparison to Curling where I would expect ISO feeds to be offered as there are three or four games in play.


I don't think ISOs would be used for this - instead I expect there will be multiple OBS cut feeds of each simultaneous match (or at least more than one of them).

I'd expect all lanes to be covered for the Curling these days - but I might be wrong.

It's the same as Olympic and International Athletics coverage where you will routinely get multiple track and field cut event coverage provided to you separately (running, horizontal/vertical jumping, throwing etc. are usually all separate cut feeds) as well as an integrated 'best of' feed if you don't have the facilities to switch between feeds.

What OBS do provide - in addition to a cut feed of events - is beauty cameras as ISOs - which can be used to leave/join an event, and used live (or turned around on EVS) as backings for your own graphic tables etc.
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Winter Olympics 2018

Yes - NBC often arrange their own facilities and/or arrange to take clean feeds of OBS cameras as ISOs. The former are directed by NBC, the latter by OBS (so NBC have to be careful using the latter live). Historically NBC used to have their own trucks or flypacks and production on-site to integrate these facilities. This year at the Winter Olympics they are using remote production and deploying some remotely controlled routing and commentary / talkback gear, along with a small amount of on-site EVS, that allows them to route ISOs and main feeds back to the US, where they are integrated remotely.

For sports with multiple simultaneous events there will usually be separate OBS cut feeds of each - so rights holders can select which match to watch. All of these should land at the IBC.
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Eurovision 2018

tightrope78 posted:
Two articles from SVT itself about Fab Freddie and the public hatred of him:

https://www.svt.se/kultur/hatet-mot-fab-freddie-ar-helt-enkelt-helt-ologiskt

https://www.svt.se/kultur/fab-freddie-det-har-varit-tufft

I was at the semi final in Malmo on Saturday evening and I thought Freddie seemed well liked by the audience. But I can fully understand why audiences won't take to him. Anyone under the age of 25 will never have saw such a representation of homosexuality on mainstream TV, except for Julian Simmons on UTV!


I think https://www.svt.se/kultur/hatet-mot-fab-freddie-ar-helt-enkelt-helt-ologiskt totally misses the point. Fab Freddie isn't funny because the writing is terrible and they are falling back on a camp stereotype, which is all that is being presented (even if that is truly who Freddie is) - they aren't subverting it, being witty with it, giving him any killer lines etc. Melodifestivalen has done SO much better in the past...

Fab Freddie may be camp - but that alone doesn't justify his presence in the show. Camp with a purpose would...
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Eurovision 2018

globaltraffic24 posted:
deejay posted:
I have to say this years Melodifestivalen has been distinctly underwhelming. The vocals seem to have been a bit off, the songs not that great (in general) and little in the way of game changing staging for which the show was known. There have been some nice lighting effects and some nice cutting (all automated via CuePilot I assume) but I couldn’t really believe the standard of the last episode - not one really decent song in my opinion.

Now, I don’t speak Swedish, but I get the distinct inpression that Fab Freddie is anything but Fab. And the ‘commercial break’ mid way through the show is clearly also meant to be comedic, but I’m not sure goes down terribly well. Maybe the audience effects aren’t high enough in the mix for me to hear the audience roaring along.

There’d better be something decent in the last heat otherwise it’s not going to be worth watching the final.


I can speak Swedish relatively well. Fab Freddie has been awful, and the audience reaction to him has been terrible. Most are disappointed at his lack of chemistry with David, others find his character quite offensive, like something you'd have encountered on TV in the 70s. The fake commercial break is dire. It features Anna Book, who has appeared on Mello a number of times over the years, since she was a child. In more recent years. she lost lots of weight, got chucked out of Mello for ripping off a song, and regularly appears in the tabloids. Her appearance sums up the general feel of this year's series - a bit cliched and out of sync with the Swedish mood - something Mello has always historically been outstanding at reflecting.


Totally agree. The comedy is desperately 'one note' and has no real sophistication, yet isn't 'buskis' humour either (which whilst not sophisticated, can be very funny). They could have had a lot more fun with Anna Book. Think back to Christine Meltzer's "Inget konstigt alls" Malena skits


They were cheap and cheerful but had a witty core. Imagine what they could have done with Anna and her character? They could have given her a fake reality show - poking a little bit of fun at Benjamin Ingrosso's family and Pernilla Wahlgréns reality show, rather than painfully awful fake commercials.

Fab Freddie is just dire and makes Filipa Bark look positively Shakespearean... The t-shirts fired into the audience plumbed new depths...

Looking back at the great little vignettes they did with Dolph Lundgren, Lynda Woodruff etc. and you really see how the show has massively dropped the ball this year.

David isn't perfect - but he isn't the reason the show isn't hitting the heights of previous years. With a good producer and writer, David could be a whole lot better.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

TVEngineer posted:
harshy posted:
.... so why are they closing down London Studios I thought it was well in demand or have I got this totally wrong, ...


No, it's the question everyone in the industry is asking too! There's a strong feeling this is part of something wider that none of us are aware of.


I think most people in TV production know the answer though. The land is worth more than the revenue returned running a TV studio operation returns...

I think unless the London property bubble bursts very hard the days of commercial studio operations of the size of TLS in a location like TLS had are over.

It's incredibly sad - but though there is demand for studio capacity, there aren't TV budgets to allow studios to operate at price levels that justifies the cost of the land they are on. Sky had the right idea with Harlequin...