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New look Newyddion

Sorry again as an international viewer. Newyddion is produced by BBC Cymru Wales right? So I am assume there’d naturally be BBC News influence.


Yes - Newyddion is made by BBC Wales Cymru - it's part of their partnership with S4C that also sees BBC Wales Cymru make popular drama for the channel. (Pobl y Cwm is one such production - often described as 'Welst EastEnders' - though it is he UK's longest-running TV soap I believe).

Prior to the launch of S4C the BBC made and broadcast Welsh language programmes on BBC One and Two in Wales, and so some of these shows - like Pobl y Cwm (which has been on-air since 1974) moved over to S4C when it launched but continued to be made by the BBC (not sure if the BBC were paid for this or if it was seen as a licence-fee responsibility). Initially S4C wasn't a full-time Welsh language channel, it also showed many of the Channel 4 shows (it replaced C4 on analogue TV in Wales) to avoid English-langauge viewers feeling too disenfranchised. When digital TV launched S4C analogue continued with the mixed format, but S4C Digidol (a Welsh language only channel) launched alongside C4 on the digital platforms (meaning C4 was available officially in Wales for the first time)

The current Newyddion look is a lot further away from the BBC News brand (and less BBC branded in general) than Newyddion has been in the past :




Historically Newyddion was branded heavily as a BBC Cymru production


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Is the staff employees of S4C or the BBC? I’ve seen some arrangements here in the US where the staff, journalists are employees by one company but the news is produced using some of their resources with the other company’s staff or talent.


S4C's news output is produced by the BBC, and thus the production teams working on it are employed by the BBC, whether they are staff, freelance or fixed-term contracts I guess. There could be a separate talent deal for the presenters. BBC Wales have a number of bilingual reporters who work to both Wales Today and Newyddion.
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Also how do you pronounce Newyddion and Cymru?


Noo-with-ee-on or New-ith-ee-on

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New look Newyddion

MY83 posted:
New Ith Ee On


And a note that the 'ith' is like the end of 'with' (i.e. your tongue vibrates), not like the end of 'forthwith' (i.e where your tongue is static).
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

I gotta ask how doe Tomasz get away with some of the stuff. He’s given the finger on air, cursed I believe and a few other things that caused “outrage”. Viewers and the Beeb must like him otherwise I think he would be out the door.

I should add that I like him, he seems personable and likeable. However the incidents he’s had probably would get him fired anywhere else.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/shortcuts/2017/may/30/tomasz-schafernaker-weather-man-winner


Well after some of those incidents Tomasz left the Met Office BBC Weather on-screen team to work elsewhere, as there was a rationalisation in the Met Office operation (which reduced the number of on-screen roles), and some on-screen meteorologists were asked to return to non-presenting duties in the Met Office. Tomasz was one of these I believe - though there is no implication this was because of his on-air mishaps.

I can't remember whether Tomasz stayed with the Met Office for this period, or freelanced as a weather presenter, but he wasn't in the core BBC One/BBC News Channel/BBC World News team at this point. (He also co-presented/reported on BBC One's The Great British Weather and gained an agent ISTR)

He re-joined the core BBC Weather team couple of years later I believe.

Nice interview here too : https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/24/thomas-schafernaker-interview-weatherman-forecast-is-good-rhik-samadder
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Saturday Night Takeaway 2018

RDJ posted:
They've got rid of the filmic effect for the repeat on right now on ITV thankfully.


Suggests it was a delivery error in however they are delivering the repeat.
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Good Morning Britain

As for why more people watch Breakfast than GMB :

* Adverts
* Competitions that treat the audience as moronic cash-cows
* Less predictable schedule (within 30 minutes of watching Breakfast you'll have seen local and national news, local and national weather and something else of interest)
* More 'in your face' presentation (whilst lots of us here like all the bells and whistles being thrown at a show - sometimes less is more for a bleary-eyed audience)


Those factors are nothing new though, and have been present when ITV breakfast performed a lot better, even in the later, post phone-in scandal days of GMTV.

Yep - but by then the BBC had started morphing the post-Breakfast News version of Breakfast (which was still quite serious) into a much warmer, simpler and less formal offering.

Breakfast News was a pretty heavyweight watch for that time of the day - and at one point had an hour of Business News 0600-0700 (which was probably a pretty big turn-off for a lot of people - though not for everyone - and the team that made it did their best to make it less dry than it had any right to be).

Against Breakfast News, GMTV had a pretty easy ride (as had TVam before them towards the end of their franchise) - people would put up with the ads and the competitions to avoid being told at length what the Hang Seng and Dax were doing, and what the latest earnings forecast for Numpty Plc was...

Once Breakfast kicked in, and evolved to become even less formal in presentation style, but still with the 30 minute wheel, it became a much more watchable watch. Combine that with the disdain it was revealed that GMTV held its audience in (treating them as a cash cow effectively) with the phone vote scandal - and the tipping point was reached. By this point Breakfast was a better-GMTV than GMTV was, without ads and competitions, with a family of presenters that audiences liked, and with a style that didn't talk down to you, nor assume you knew everything. It's presentation style to some of us may appear conservative, but it's not being made for TV production fans...
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Good Morning Britain


Agreed, the wrong decision based on the facts that then BBC Management were given but ignored for political reasons. But we are where we are - incredibly though the ITV's GMB will come from BBC West London studios for creative decisions whilst Breakfast will come from Salford for political ones. Especially when there is an ideal studio at Broadcasting House which the One show uses in the evening and could easily be reset for the morning. If there is one thing Breakfast set lacks is character and detail. It should fee cosy & doesn't it feels bland and abandoned.


The One Show studio is now being used in the mornings for a number of other shows (Rip Off Britain Live, Sounds of the Eighties, Front Row etc.) and was built by BBC Television (not BBC News) and is designed for general production. Moving a News show like Breakfast in would require a lot of investment in new production gear (and some way of installing it without compromising the main role of the studio). The 0830-0915 Breakfast sequence would fit in much more easily - but I don't think editorially having different presenters (like Lorraine effectively does) would work as well for Breakfast.

As for why more people watch Breakfast than GMB :

* Adverts
* Competitions that treat the audience as moronic cash-cows
* Less predictable schedule (within 30 minutes of watching Breakfast you'll have seen local and national news, local and national weather and something else of interest)
* More 'in your face' presentation (whilst lots of us here like all the bells and whistles being thrown at a show - sometimes less is more for a bleary-eyed audience)
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Good Morning Britain

I believe This Morning will have a separate set, opposite GMB's.

There should be no problems fitting the sets into TC2 at 3,430 Sq Ft, it has enought space. The studio is larger than Studio 5 or 8 currently at The London Studios. It is going to be interesting to see if TC3 will be used at weekends for other shows, as it is a vital 8,000 Sq Ft studio, perfect for talk shows, game shows, sitcoms etc, but will be block booked Mondays to Fridays for ITV Daytime for the majority of the year.


I believe that ITV have a 7-day-a-week buy out of both studios - rather than a Mon-Fri block-booking. The galleries are being 'bespoked' for ITV Daytime's shows, so I suspect ITV want to be responsible for any other shows going in (and them using their production systems etc.)

Studio 5 in the London Studios is 2,268 Sq Ft. Their new home at Television Centre in Studio TC2 is 3,430 Sq Ft, so they have a little bit more room, not a great deal more, but a little bit more.


Aren't GMB and This Morning sharing TC3 (8,000 square feet) not TC2? (Hence Sean's comment about a bigger space)

I thought Lorraine and Loose Women were sharing TC2 (3,430 square feet)?

I think we all assumed that the daytime schedule is :

GMB - TC3
Lorraine - TC2
(Jeremy Kyle)
This Morning - TC3
Loose Women - TC2

From what I have heard Lorraine and Loose Women will share TC3, main reason is that TC3 is 8,000 Sq Ft and can be split into two sections, one small area for Lorraine, with the larger area with an audience of around 150 for Loose Women. It is also to do with timing. Lorraine concludes at 9.25am, this gives three hours for the production team to get the Loose Women set read. TC2 will be the home for GMB and This Morning, both probably sharing one main set, with slight redressing for the two shows. Both shows I think will have a London back drop. GMB concludes at 8.30am and gives two hours for the production team to prepare for This Morning. So it comes down to basic logic for the production teams.


I may have been wrong in what I had heard. The schedule dictates that you have to have GMB and This Morning in one space and Lorraine and Loose Women in the other.

Loose Women does make more sense in TC3 and you could fit Lorraine into it and re-set for Loose Women if you have a clever lighting plot that does both shows without a re-light (though that's a compromise and/or more money for lights)

However squeezing This Morning and GMB into TC2 would be an interesting challenge - given the varied requirements of This Morning (kitchen, performance/fashion, sofa area etc.).
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Good Morning Britain

UBox posted:
I imagine Peston will be using TC3 on a Sunday morning too for quite a bit of the year so it won't be free very much of the time. Of course if the GMB and TM sets are open and don't have anything seperating them they could possibly slot a set in the middle. Peston is another which benefits from the central London location really.

Just shows up how vital studio space in the capital is needed. If Television Centre retained one more studio, TC4 they would have eased a lot of problems, however this decision was not taken sadly.


TC4 was the wrong side of 'South Hall' so would have made the redevelopment much trickier - as well as the operation of TC4 in the middle of residential accommodation.
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Saturday Night Takeaway 2018

It seems last week's film effect on the ITV2 repeat wasn't a one-off or a mistake. Apparently this is the new "this isn't live!" hint. Are they hoping viewers will think something's "off" and will make more effort to watch it live?


How bizarre - and against the DPP Tech standards.
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AppleTV 4K and Apple Video Services.

According to the release notes the latest software release tvOS 11.2.6 shouldn't have affected much, but since downloading it the format decoding routine seems on my box to be taking noticeably longer to complete and display. Has anyone else noticed this?


Not sure what you mean? Doesn't the ATV use associated frame-rate metadata to decide output frame rate and SDR/HDR format, I don't think it uses video detection (to cope with encrypted video). I think that's what the tvOS developer notes suggested when the frame rate switching was rolled out?
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Winter Paralympics 2018

According to JJ Chalmers on Instagram he is heading to Pyeongchang after the World Indoors championships this weekend.


Wonder if he is there for BBC Sports News (who will no doubt cover the events even though they don't have broadcast rights), or whether he is there for C4.
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Good Morning Britain

Bail posted:
It is so weird to me that ITV have moved into 2 of old BBC buildings and yet the BBC couldn't possibly have stayed and use them after renovation. Not for for purpose indeed...


Not sure of your point. The BBC no longer needed White City and the Media Centre buildings as their previous residents had moved out (BBC Worldwide has moved into Television Centre, BBC Magazines were sold off, some of the production teams were moved to Salford, others were moved to NBH and then moved again into the Broadcast Centre). The BBC's in house production departments are also smaller now, as the 75%, then 50%, in-house guarantee has gone...

The BBC simply didn't need as much office space in West London... Are you suggesting the BBC should have kept empty buildings?

As for the TV Centre site. The studios were OK (though not quite as modernised as some would have you believe - sure they were HD, but in many cases that was the only modern thing about them...) but the rest of the site was in a very poor state, and the BBC wasn't able to fund the renovation, nor did it need the space.

Starting from a blank sheet of paper in 2000 you could have taken a lot of very different decisions - but that's the benefit of hindsight.

Personally I think there was a reason to keep more studios open at TV Centre 'in the national interest' - but that ship has sailed.
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