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ITV abandons the South Bank

JKDerry posted:
I am pleased that Television Centre will now have anchor productions at their complex. There was a worry that they might not attract regular bookings especially for TC2, but now, for at least the next four years ITV Daytime will be there, a regular booking for BBC Studioworks. Plus Graham Norton, and other big shows using TC1 will make Television Centre a very busy place once again.


I don't think there were any significant worries about getting shows for TC3 (you could fill it many times over), and TC1 will always find shows...

TC2 5-day-a-week usage is the big win with the ITV deal. I think there was some discussion about whether it would be viable to fully re-equip it as part of the refurb - but even before the ITV Daytime deal I think that the decision to do so had already been taken.
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Sky's Branding

tomo359 posted:
noggin posted:
tomo359 posted:

Obviously no channels are broadcasting in 4k yet, so anything you want to watch has to be downloaded, and even though you can start watching downloads before the download has finished, 4k takes a long time to even get to the stage where you can start watching...maybe my broadband isn't as fast as its meant to be but lets just say plan ahead a little if you want to watch 4k!


Eh? Sky are broadcasting 4K content (as well as making stuff available on demand0, however they do this via the Sky Q automatically switching to a 4K DVB-S2 stream when it is available - rather than there being a dedicated 4K version of the channel. This allows them to use one 4K broadcast stream to 'float' a 4K version of a sporting event over HD events on multiple channels as long as they don't clash, and avoids having to run lots of full-time 4K services that are mainly showing HD up converts. (AIUI Sky have 4K F1 for instance)

There are Sky UHD streams at 11758.00 H at 28.2


Oh really? Sorry I didn't realise this. I thought it would be like when HD first launched and dedicated channels started appearing. Sorry my bad Embarassed


Yep - it's a bit like how ITV HD first started as a red button service on ITV SD - but across multiple channels.
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Sky's Branding

tomo359 posted:

Obviously no channels are broadcasting in 4k yet, so anything you want to watch has to be downloaded, and even though you can start watching downloads before the download has finished, 4k takes a long time to even get to the stage where you can start watching...maybe my broadband isn't as fast as its meant to be but lets just say plan ahead a little if you want to watch 4k!


Eh? Sky are broadcasting 4K content (as well as making stuff available on demand0, however they do this via the Sky Q automatically switching to a 4K DVB-S2 stream when it is available - rather than there being a dedicated 4K version of the channel. This allows them to use one 4K broadcast stream to 'float' a 4K version of a sporting event over HD events on multiple channels as long as they don't clash, and avoids having to run lots of full-time 4K services that are mainly showing HD up converts. (AIUI Sky have 4K F1 for instance)

There are Sky UHD streams at 11758.00 H at 28.2
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BBC Breakfast

Rkolsen posted:
Wonder what the gallery was doing and didn’t spot it quickly enough. Could it take a while for them to punch up an OS (assuming the forecast was from London) in the Mosart panel vs quickly pressing a button on the switcher?

It was onscreen for a decent amount of time. I’ve seen in the US slates (I assume they’re used because in a news program you could have a dozen packages and want to play the right one) for packages briefly appear on screen or an onset monitor and they are only on air for a split second before they return to either the studio to continue introducing the package or a graphic.


Breakfast has a vision mixer (in US terms - TD) - Mon-Fri - and only uses Mosart as a server Playout and graphics system - not for remote control of the vision mixer/switcher.

If they were using full Mosart - there is still no massively increased significant delay in using your Mosart touch screen or hard panel vs pressing the button on the switcher (it's frames, not seconds)
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BBC Breakfast

Rkolsen posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
They'd still need something to read from, it would sound awful if one of the presenters was just making it up on the fly based on what they could see on the map.

For the bulletins on BBC1 and 2 they send a script to the channel announcer so they can read that over a slide if the bulletin doesn't happen. I don't know if there's the same policy for Breakfast


They would explain what happened and a last minute technical mess up. If the presenter can see the map they should be able to handle it. Treat it like a breaking news situation where things are fluid and not much is known.


Except it's not breaking news - and you don't treat weather as 'not much is known'.

I think on a show that does weather regularly, dropping the forecast rather than a general presenter making it up was the better choice. Broadcast forecasters aren't just 'say what you see' robots...
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BBC Breakfast

Rkolsen posted:
DrewF posted:
Some satellite link troubles this morning it would seem - Matt Taylor is on location for the weather but there was no summary at the top of the hour and a recorded forecast was played at 6:20.


Surely they could have run the forecast without Matt’s commentary. I doubt the server is in the OB van. They could have let it just run normally while saying they were having signal trouble. Or a presenter could have read it or give a semi decent summary quickly.


The graphics will be rendered in London I suspect (which is where the Breakfast weather presenter is based, rather than Salford, where Breakfast are based), and fed up the normal weather circuits (just without a presenter keyed over them)

They wouldn't have run the graphics mute, and they wouldn't have got a non-meteorologist to 'make it up'...

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The maps aren’t that complicated to comprehend it they were they wouldn’t make it to air. In the US there have been moments where the main meteorologist was suddenly unavailable or the anchor decided to try.


The weather bulletins are un-scripted - so there isn't a script for a presenter to read, and you aren't just reading out what the graphics on-screen say, you are explaining why the weather is doing what it is doing.

I think the decision would be (and was) taken that dropping the forecast is better than doing a bad job.
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Does Look North (or whatever region shares the studio) have a meteorologist onsite in the AM? Maybe they should have them nearby when they do OBs.


I suspect North West Tonight (the local show based in Salford) run recorded weather bulletins during Breakfast, after all their main studio is on-air with... Breakfast... (The three Look Norths are based in Leeds, Hull and Newcastle)

What I don't know is if there is a second weather presenter on duty in London for radio and other duties at that time of the morning if Matt is on location. They could have been scrambled IF it didn't clash with their other on-air duties I guess.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Whataday posted:
Is it possibly the case that TC2 is more suitable for a studio audience in terms of access, hospitality, security etc rather than the choice being due to the size of the studio?


I doubt it. They are next door to each other, and TC2 was originally not planned to be fully equipped. In general 'production studios' terms It's a small studio, and not big enough for a most shows. The ITV deal is a great deal for BBC Studioworks in that regard... Strictly : It Takes Two, and Watchdog (now in Salford), are the two main BBC Studios-produced shows that would fit. (And Strictly : ITT was there for the last run.)

I'm sure that the redevelopment has meant that the new reduced footprint of BBC Studioworks at TV Centre has been designed to be effective in audience handling terms for all three studios.
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RT

Markymark posted:

Quite honestly, and given the surreal events worldwide and at home over the last couple of years, everyone needs to keep a very open mind about this still. More than one person I've spoken to finds the fact that Porton Down is conveniently just a 10 min drive from Salisbury city centre slightly more than just co incidence.


That's veering very close to "Some people say" territory though...
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This Morning

JKDerry posted:
There is a balance between making money and just knocking down much needed studios.


Shareholders in a commercial company that purely exists to make them money may not agree with that...
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ITV abandons the South Bank

JKDerry posted:
So from this video we know Lorraine will be in TC2 and Good Morning Britain in TC3. Interesting.


I refer back to my previous post...

TC3 - GMB
TC2 - Lorraine

TC3 - This Morning
TC2 - Loose Women

(My gut feeling is that this all works back from This Morning needing to be in TC3)
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RT

Alan de Robson posted:
It would be a big pity if OFCOM did this.

Everyone knows that RT is a Moscow-backed channel just like everyone knew Press TV was a Tehran-backed channel just like...etc etc.

Having seen the large number of people sharing RT stuff on social - I don't agree that 'everyone knows' that RT is a Kremlin mouthpiece...
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Afraid Outside Source is probably the only show on the News Channel that forces me to switch over to Sky News or CNN.
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