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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Andrew posted:
The ITV set almost looks like an American set, ridiculously busy on the wide shots.

The BBC have obviously stayed more on brand, looking like it’s from the same family as the MOTD set

The virtual bit opposite the set on the BBC has little purpose though, as it’s rarely seen


I think they are using that effectively - nice way of handing to the match, and doing team formations etc.
gordonthegopher and UKnews gave kudos
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

harshy posted:
noggin posted:
UKnews posted:
I’d read the BBC studio was going to be upscaled. If it is it’s fooling me, looks native 4K.


Suspect they are UHD cameras running in HD and then upscaled to UHD - which will look very good because of sensor oversampling. Looked like it was a good HD to UHD upscale to me on the AR graphics.

I don’t understand why run UHD cameras down to HD?


Lots of reasons. The primary outlet is HD, the Viz AR graphics may be HD, HD is simpler and more reliable. Lots of reasons. UHD cameras running in HD is standard (All the shows out of TC1 for instance)
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

UKnews posted:
noggin posted:
UKnews posted:
The 4K HLG HDR- wow! At its best it’s like the demo material you’d see in shops. Being 50p is really helping the motion as well.


To be fair - normal iPlayer HD is 50p already. The BBC has had 720p50 SDR on iPlayer for about 3 years now.

True, but it’s still 50i derived, where as this is 50p native, wouldn’t that make a difference?


Not in motion terms - 1080i25 is equivalent to 540p50 on high motion. You still get full 50Hz motion.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

BM11 posted:
I presume ITV window is not an actual window but a live screen because it turns into the VR of the stadium.


It's both. The studio is next door to the BBC. Window behind presenters and guests is real. Both the BBC and ITV have AR roof elements. BBC's is subtle, ITV's isn't and has a live camera creating a fake window above the real one.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

UKnews posted:
I’d read the BBC studio was going to be upscaled. If it is it’s fooling me, looks native 4K.


Suspect they are UHD cameras running in HD and then upscaled to UHD - which will look very good because of sensor oversampling. Looked like it was a good HD to UHD upscale to me on the AR graphics.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

UKnews posted:
The 4K HLG HDR- wow! At its best it’s like the demo material you’d see in shops. Being 50p is really helping the motion as well.


To be fair - normal iPlayer HD is 50p already. The BBC has had 720p50 SDR on iPlayer for about 3 years now.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

DVB Cornwall posted:
ITV seem to have produced much better pictures for broadcast from St Petersburg this afternoon, than yesterday's from Moscow. The HDR images, not being re-processed for SDR use yesterday, reasoning seems quite plausible.


Not sure your point? AIUI the ITV feeds will be the FIFA/HBS HD feed which is SDR.

My understanding is that the SDR HD an HDR UHD feeds are largely separate, though with some shared cameras (which will be converted)
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London Live

globaltraffic24 posted:
A channel catering for the broad mix of ethnic and social groups in London would definitely be in a strong position to perform well. Carriage on Sky would also help to boost it with national audiences topping up the figures. It also deals with one of the core issues we're witnessing with many of the current crop of local TV stations. Re-broadcasting is a cheap filler, but a channel that re-broadcast output that wasn't currently (or at least easily) available here would actually provide something different.


Sky carriage out of region may require more money to be spent on acquired content rights, archive and stills etc. AIUI London Live may only be paying for rights to broadcast within their region, which reduces costs. If they had tp get UK+Ireland rights, or just UK rights, that might increases costs significantly.
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Jeremy Vine on 5

623058 posted:
Why not Steve Wright everyone wants him out the door...


Because he's not remotely qualified for the job? He's not done telly in years (decades?) and his Radio 2 persona is a million miles from the current affairs chat that is The Wright Stuff's remit.
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TV Channels that have seen better times

Inspector Sands posted:
Rich Tea posted:
I will also cite all +1 channels.

While now and again they can prove handy if you've only just missed something, I still fail to see the point of them and wonder about their ultimate viability and purpose.

Handy when there's something on another channel, or if you've a PVR, things on two other channels


Though with catch-up TV even that's becoming less of an argument for them - particularly as they are usually SD (C4+1HD on Freeview HD being the notable exception)

I've not use a +1 channel to resolve a Sky HD clash since we got the Catch Up option in decent HD quality for BBC, ITV and C4.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

harshy posted:
Is that a real view of red square or a screen like Fox Sports?


The FS1 studio pictured above looks like a real backdrop behind the hosts to me too - not a screen. In one shot you can see they have only partially hung the ND or similar window treatment so the right hand end is much brighter? The lines are joins in the glazing?
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

harshy posted:
Is that a real view of red square or a screen like Fox Sports?


I think the BBC studio is being shot 360 - real window behind the presenters with a view of Red Square. VR area in front of them (that hides the cameras) with a virtual screen and virtual player graphics?