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Off Air Broadcast Feeds

elmarko posted:
That Brits satellite diagram says there's a BISS key - so that was encrypted even though it'd be on FTA?


Encryption is increasingly common for all shows - whether on a FTA channel or not. This is at least partially to avoid rehearsals being snooped on - and potentially distributed by - those not legally entitled to receive them. In fact it's probably illegal to watch them.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/89037/Guidance-on-Receive-Only-Radio-Scanners.pdf

Is for scanners (so tuning into radio talkback is illegal if you don't have permission) but I suspect would equally apply to UK satellite links.

Encryption isn't universal - and is less usual for news uplinks - but isn't that unusual for any UK non-news uplink irrespective of the broadcast outlet.
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BBC News Channel Presentation - 21/03/16 onwards

Mike W posted:
Rkolsen posted:
I just saw a package on the migrant crisis where they identified James Reynolds, Gavin Lee and Nick Thorpe not in the normal Chyron but a box that animates in the safe zone and “floats” from any other onscreen elements.

An aside, but interesting how in the states the term Chyron took precedence (for character generator/OSG), within the BBC 'aston' became the term of choice though slowly being phased out...


In the BBC, before/as well as Astons you had Rileys, as some of the first electronic capgens the BBC bought (after using Anchor/Anchar - the internally developed system) were made by Riley, and their graphics would be called 'Rileys', not 'Astons'.

In the US the electronic cap gens were made by Chyron. Chyrons weren't popular in the UK in the 80s and 90s (they were more common on mainland Europe) and Astons were preferred. These days you DO see Chyrons (Strictly Come Dancing uses them ISTR) as well as Clarity being used as Aston-replacements, alongside VizRT. (CasparCG hasn't hit the industry much yet)
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Question Time

Rkolsen posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Brekkie posted:
Does Dimbleby even step foot in Glasgow?

No of course not, I don't see what sort of pre-production the presenter needs to be involved in that's not done on the day, at the venue.


Where the presenter is based is largely irrelevant on a programme that comes from a different location every week. Kirsty Wark would travel just as far as Dimbleby

I’ve never seen Question Time but it sounds like Meet The Press in its original carnation where a panel journalists (instead of an audience) asked questions with a moderator to politicos and newsmakers.

I imagine a lot of the prep Dimbley would have to do is stay up to date with the news. Are there preproduced packages or recorded interviews?

I don't think there is anything like QT regularly broadcast in the US. The show travels to a different town or city each week and audience members are called on to ask questions of a panel of politicians, experts, notable people, and that question then triggers debate. When it's good - it's great. When it's terrible - it's terrible...


It's a bit like a US 'town hall' but with a panel ?
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UK Parliamentary Footage Law

Whataday posted:
If the BBC had more guts then it would use Have I Got News For You to challenge this. Run with some footage one week and wait to see what happens. Treat it as any other archaic law which gets flouted. I seriously doubt any action would be taken as it would scream censorship.


It's hardly archaic - some of us can remember when the only coverage of Parliament was sound-only... The rules that were created to allow for parliamentary TV coverage were considered very seriously, and still are.
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AppleTV 4K and Apple Video Services.

UKnews posted:
Saw this linked from another forum and thought it might be of interest to people here, given the issue of All4 not being on Apple TV has been raised before:





Hopefully this will mean they improve on the sub-SD quality too. Walter Presents from the current All4 stuff is unwatchable on a decent sized HD or UHD TV.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

DVB Cornwall posted:
Brekkie posted:
Are the BBC doing any 4K highlights or clips in addition to live coverage of their matches?


No it's purely live coverage, there's no infrastructure currently within the iPlayer and Apps to offer UHD recordings at present. Remember that although the coverage we are getting is labelled iPlayer, all that it does is switch to a standalone system with the UHD offering.


Though there is ad hoc infrastructure to support UHD HLG recordings too - as Blue Planet II and Planet Earth II have demonstrated in the past. However there aren't workflows to allow the live stream to be made available on demand at the moment AIUI.

The current Live and On Demand systems are trials and not integrated into the wider live streaming and on-demand production systems, and are very much add-ons.
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Off Air Broadcast Feeds

Increasingly a lot of News and ITV Daytime type hits are done using LiveU or WMT style IP connectivity, over 4G, VSAT (which is a satellite IP connection) or other IP connections (fibre broadband, wifi etc.) When you can get 300Mbs over WiFi from next to a London phone box - it all gets a lot easier...
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Square Eyes posted:
Here is an article about ITV's 'Cathedral of Football' Very Happy
https://www.creativereview.co.uk/itv-world-cup-studio-design/

It's usually interesting to see the broadcasters come up with something that's reflective of the locale and incorporate some more interesting design elements into the set for the World Cup. Both ITV and the BBC used to do this.

Here, the BBC is very slick, clean and simple, but it's like the Match of the Day studio dropped into Red Square. And that's how its been for quite some time now for these big events. The 'BBC' brand is at the fore rather than studio designs being more reflective of the event.

ITV perhaps have overdone it, but it's visually interesting for a one off event like the World Cup.


I think the big difference is that BBC Sport and BBC football programmes have a strong visual brand identity. The BBC understandably have gone with this - and delivered a really clean, classy and very smart studio.

ITV Sport and ITV football have nowhere near that level of branding - so can create their own bespoke stuff for each event. I'm not sure I see the 'X Factor' influences, and whilst I like the thinking behind it, and applaud that, I think the actual set design doesn't deliver in the same way the technology does. It's just not a design I particularly like, and I'm not sure they are using the AR production elements in as 'joined up' a way as the BBC do.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

All that said - the 'fill the studio with the stadium trick is very neat'. As the rear window is real, I wonder how they are generating a key for the stadium shot ? I'm guesssing a panel or a blind with a chroma-key colour on it?
Last edited by noggin on 17 June 2018 2:43pm
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

Not a huge fan of the ITV set. It's very, very busy. The virtual roof and windows in the roof is clever (I assume it's a locked off UHD camera on the outside of the studio that is then processed by the AR kit to track motion)

However the mix of white painted brick (which is a bit too bright), the very busy floor, and a desk that is also very busy, is just all a bit too much. What are the point of the lights? It's all a bit of a visual mishmash.

The BBC's set looks a lot cleaner and simpler. The virtual ceiling is so neat you don't realise it's not really there, and the downstage 'screen' masking all the cameras is very neat. The way they hand to the match via that screen is very neat, and the graphics overlaid work very nicely.

The BBC seem to have thought a bit more about how their AR additions can be used to integrate into production, not just as a bit of flashy 'just because you can' set.
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

thegeek posted:
gottago posted:
Is the delay on BT UHD matches as large as the World Cup one?

We have a monitor showing the same match in HD, via the Sky platform and a local IPTV system, and a UHD TV on the BT TV system, and they're more or less in sync. So maybe a second or so compared to HD.


I think the point was in reference to the BBC UHD iPlayer feed delay, and whether UHD BT TV is as delayed, which I don't think it is due to the very different delivery methods?
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2018 FIFA World Cup Russia

gottago posted:
Is the delay on BT UHD matches as large as the World Cup one?


I suspect it's less as BT TV UHD is multicast and not coming over the 'internet', so won't need as much buffering as iPlayer, which is unicast and coming over the public internet.

BT TV can use a regular MPEG2 transport stream delivered via IP (not internet...), iPlayer is using MPEG-DASH which may wait to encode chunks.

Also I suspect the backhauls are different for BBC HD and UHD and the UHD backhaul is more delayed, whereas BT TV will take the UHD feed and downconvert to HD possibly, so that differential will go on BT.