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Eurovision 2019

Brekkie posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
The BBC would NOT be permitted under the terms of it's Charter to accept sponsorship in any form which puts the UK at a hosting disadvantage.

Surely though the BBC are just the broadcasters as they are with a sports event. It isn't their event and the sponsorship isn't of their broadcast or indeed seen on screen.


That argument is trickier. This isn't an even that the BBC buys coverage of, and that takes place independently, it's an event that the BBC would host and show produce. Unlike almost any other European broadcaster the BBC's rules on sponsorship are tighter. (SVT in Sweden and NRK in Norway have looser sponsorship rules for 'international' events for instance...)
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UKTV channels set to leave Virgin Media on Sunday

Stuart posted:
Andrew Wood posted:
Eden HD is still on BTTV.

I do then wonder why it was removed from Sky. I had always believed that UKTV had opted to use the DSat stream for Gold HD. Presumably they must be streaming Eden HD through a cheaper fibre link to BTTV?

I wouldn't expect any platform operator to use 'off-air' feeds from other platforms as their sources these days unless they absolutely had to.
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"Hardest-working" presenters

Brekkie posted:
ginnyfan posted:
American presenters in general work a lot, I mean full 5 day weeks, very few days off and vacation. Gotta earn those millions.

Not sure any live TV host on the main channels and news bulletins does a 5 day week now - Alex Jones possibly the exception.


Yes - Alex Jones routinely presented The One Show five days a week, week-in, week-out, until she started also presenting 'Shop Well For Less' and became a mother. She still sometimes does 5 days a week, but not every week.
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AppleTV 4K and Apple Video Services.

davidhorman posted:
VMPhil posted:
I'll probably leave it at 50Hz since most YT videos I watch when on my Apple TV are 30 FPS.


Then shouldn't you leave it on 60Hz?


Yes - if you usually watch 30fps content on YouTube and it doesn't auto frame rate switch when you do - then 60Hz default output will be much better than 50Hz.
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EastEnders

The original EE studio cameras were EMI2001s (ancient but workhorses with a very distinctive - pale flesh tone - and pretty sharp as they had 4 picture tubes not 3) They also used Ikegami 79s (not sure which variant) for backlot stuff I suspect. It could have been that they shot off-site location stuff on HiBand UMatic (not strictly allowed but it was done) with the same Ikegami cameras, but with a lot less control over lighting the picture quality took a tumble (and they may not have been racked)?

They may have recorded to 1" on location - there were VPR5 and VPR20 1" portable recorders - and also small single or two camera location vans that would contain a 'studio' 1" recorder and a vision op position were also built - but not sure if Elstree had one for EE (or used a BBC OBs one)
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BBC World News | 30th October 2017 Onwards

Markymark posted:

And up converter (particularly) quality is critical, you would normally go with an external crate of dedicated cards, such as Axon (other mfrs are available)


Arguably downconversion is even more important - as bad downconversion can really hammer your SD transmission chain if you don't do a high quality filter to remove aliasing artefacts.
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BBC World News | 30th October 2017 Onwards

Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:


As for operational complications - any decently integrated, virtualised, routing systems shouldn't introduce much in the way of those. If you route an SD source to an SD OS on BNCS you get it routed clean, if you route an SD source to an HD destination it automatically routes through an assignable or dedicated up converter, and vice versa via a downconverter (it's just like 4:3 and 16:9 sources and destinations used to be handled when you had both aspect ratios knocking around).

Are up converters really needed for the main BH as any decent router/switcher/pro production equipment would have a good one built in and be able to handle it?


Up and downconversion functionality isn't standard functionality in most decent-sized broadcast HD-SDI routers. You don't get cross-conversion either. Most routers will route SDI as SDI, 1.5G as 1.5G and 3G as 3G (if they are 3G compatible) - but they don't convert between those formats - they just route them as is. What you route is what you get. That's why you install up/down/cross converters as assignable glue in most installations (or permanent glue in some)

Similarly apart from Kahuna, most broadcast (as opposed to prosumer) switchers don't routinely do up/down conversion either (mainly because you need to factor audio delays in to conversion and doing it in the switcher isn't always a good solution for that) That's very much at the Black Magic/Newtek end of the spectrum. (Some broadcasters will mandate particular quality levels for up and downconversion too. Downconversion in particular is important to get right, as any aliasing present can hammer encoding downstream)
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Good Morning Britain

RDJ posted:
Adil Ray has been confirmed as the second presenter next Monday and Tuesday with Ranvir.

Yes you heard me right. The maker of the sitcom Citizen Khan. I’m not aware of any journalistic capabilities at all.





Err - the same Adil Ray who has been radio presenter for 20+ years on both 5Live and the Asian Network (Breakfast and Drive), has presented series for Radio 4, has a history of working his way up in local radio, and has stood in as a co-presenter on The One Show on a number of occasions...

Yes - you heard right - a highly experienced radio presenter who also has TV experience is standing in for a shamed newspaper editor who had to resign for publishing fake pictures...
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BBC World News | 30th October 2017 Onwards

Markymark posted:
noggin posted:

They launched in 2008 - but their facilities were spec-ed quite a long time before they launched, and given that they were working to a tight budget I can understand the decision to be SD...


Having an SD island in a sea of HD infrastructure might have made sense on someones's spreadsheet, but a wider view often exposes other costs and considerations, such as extra 'glue' and operational complications


At that point it was an SD island in a sea of non-news radio infrastructure on-sitee though. When BBC Arabic and Persian's TV facilities were built there was no other significant TV infrastructure - either SD or HD - on that site (BBC News - both TV and Radio - was still based at TV Centre and would continue to be for 5 years)

The BBC Arabic and Persian facilities were built in Peel (then Egton) before any serious decisions about the TV kit to be installed in NBH for TV News had been decided or procurement processes started ISTR (to avoid chosing systems earlier than was sensible for BBC TV News who were moving from TVC far later), so there were no procurement deals for HD gear already in place. (There was a deal for talkback - as the BBC had decided to go for a single platform on the site for TV and Radio by that point)

It was clear that the output platforms for BBC Arabic and Persian were going to be SD for a significant period (BBC Persian was difficult enough to broadcast in SD because of jamming attempts by the Iranian govt) and they launched with a tight (government supervised) budget which at that point had to be demonstrably independent of BBC News (as they were operated by BBC World Service which wasn't licence fee funded at the time). In 2006/7 it was definitely still possible to buy SD gear, and SD gear was cheaper...

At the time Arabic and Persian were commissioned - BBC News at TV Centre was entirely SD and remained so for a number of years - so there was no SD-HD glue needed initially - again keeping initial costs down.

By the time the main HD NBH build had started, a relatively small amount of SD/HD integration glue for Arabic and Persian wasn't going to be particularly show stopping, and would be a tiny part of the NBH build costs (replicating TV Centre functionality - which had to include SD compatible gear for the regions too)...

As for operational complications - any decently integrated, virtualised, routing systems shouldn't introduce much in the way of those. If you route an SD source to an SD OS on BNCS you get it routed clean, if you route an SD source to an HD destination it automatically routes through an assignable or dedicated up converter, and vice versa via a downconverter (it's just like 4:3 and 16:9 sources and destinations used to be handled when you had both aspect ratios knocking around).

SD and HD media on editing and MAM systems co-exist fine, and on-the-fly exports aren't a huge issue either. Design your routing and production systems effectively and you mitigate operational issues.
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New BBC corporate font: BBC Reith

elmarko posted:
Christ. What’s the specs? CPU/RAM etc?


They're kind of irrelevant I suspect - as the video rendering is more custom hardware than software. Astons weren't PC-based solutions like Caspar, Viz etc. are.

The original Motifs had 44MB removable hard drives for archive storage to backup entire shows...
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BBC World News | 30th October 2017 Onwards

Markymark posted:
I’m surprised NBH ( emphasis on the N!) has any SD facilities! I’d assumed it was HD throughout !


NBH IS pretty much all HD.

BBC Arabic and Persian aren't in NBH though... They are in Peel (was Egton) which was built earlier - and all SD.

They launched in 2008 - but their facilities were spec-ed quite a long time before they launched, and given that they were working to a tight budget I can understand the decision to be SD...
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The Sport Thread

MY83 posted:
I'm guessing there just aren't enough hipsters in the UK with deep enough pockets to watch Belgian, French, Portuguese and Italian football week in and week out and pretend to be interested.


And now that you can legally stream pay-TV services across Europe without resorting to VPNs - ex-pats are likely to be more interested in home streaming providers, not British/Irish companies ?