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The X Factor 2018

DE88 posted:

Meanwhile, even though Strictly is once again out-rating XF handsomely, I find myself wondering if *that* show could be approaching its ask-by date. Or is that just because I'm finding it harder than usual to get into it this year - because of who's taking part, because Brendan isn't there, and also because of "Kissgate"?


Strictly had a wobble a while back, when ratings dipped and X Factor beat it. However they amped up the production values, made the show feel fresher, and I have a feeling that Brucie retiring and Claudia joining the main show gave it a bit of a refresh (as did the move to Elstree). Strictly doesn't take itself so seriously - it has a huge sense of fun. In comparison X Factor still appears to think it's in some way important or relevant (even with a fantastic presenter like Dermot doing his best to puncture that a bit)... For me Strictly is a much more comfortable watch.

Also this series has, I think, demonstrated that you don't need a cast of A-list celebrities to make the show a success. You need people who are warm and making the most of the experience. It's a cliche, but some of the not-that-well-known celebrities (Joe Sugg, Dr Ranj, Graham Swann etc.) are having great 'journeys'. Arguably the pro dancers are as big, if not bigger, celebrities than their celebrity partners in many cases, allowing Strictly fans to have 'their favourite' professionals...
Custard56 and bilky asko gave kudos
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

Inspector Sands posted:
Yes, periods of silence, black and other oddities are listed in the paperwork that accompanies the programme

Not just important for the nations to know of course, everyone involved in getting it to air should be warned. For one thing periods of silence set off alarms in some control rooms and no-one normally wants to see colour bars etc go to air.

Not that it usually happens, many a time I've been in a control room and caught out by some artistic treatment that looks like a fault


Yes. Live programmes are normally expected to warn Playout if their show contains periods of black, colour bars, simulated spooling, fake interference effects, un-expected black and white sequences, periods of silence or tone etc., during line-up if not before.
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

Steve in Pudsey posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
The breakdown slides and announcer wouldn't have been anything to do with Red Bee. The policy had long been (way back when it was all done in house) that playout only accept whole finished programmes, they don't add elements or do stuff to the programme as it goes out. So if you want some fake continuity, then it has to be part of the programme.

Presumably they worlds with the appropriate BBC department (whichever it is these days) to co-ordinate getting the slide and the correct announcer.


Nice touch that Beccy Wright was credited as part of the cast at the end of the show.

I assume the BBC Nations were warned to expect the "sound fault" and not to do their own breakdown sequence?


I believe there were warnings in the line bookings from Maidstone Studios too.
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

Asa posted:
Wish I’d watched it live now as I think I’d probably have been sucked in (but have never seen the series 1 ep so would have stayed watching).

Great attention to detail in using the actual (and pretty new) breakdown slide and on-duty announcer. Wonder if all that was done live or prerecorded and played out by the team?

I'm sure it would have been played in by the production not by Red Bee.

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I’m guessing they took over at least two galleries at Granada Maidstone Studios - one for onscreen and the other for the actual production.


Or possibly the gallery shots were pre-recorded ? (I need to re-watch them to see I they have anything that proves that they are live shots?)
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Bombs sent to CNN NYC Studio, Clintons, Obama's & others

Inspector Sands posted:
Some emergency code words are fairly well known.... I can't think of any off the top of my head though Wink Laughing


Inspector Sands is a widespread code name used on the tube and mainline rail services... If you hear that name on the tannoy there is a strong chance you will be tipped out of a station.
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

bilky asko posted:
If you give Election 97 a watch, they cut to a Labour club early on, again with hardly any delay.


Yes - analogue circuits, analogue broadcast to the home and terrestrial microwave links from OBs to broadcast centres all have very low delays compared to digital compressed systems and satellites.
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

Mr-Stabby posted:
Inspector Sands posted:

And most famously, Jasper Carrott:
https://youtu.be/cReFpHPWYJ0


While the comments on that YouTube clip say that people actually remember watching this and it was real, i'm in awe of the fact that there's next to no delay between what we're seeing of Jasper and the picture of him on the TV. Think of what the delay would be these days! Wonder if that particular channel was tuned into the OB unit rather than being an actual TV channel? Then again, seeing as though they used to use clocks on analogue TV, i can imagine there being next to no delay back then..


In those days the delay would have been in the 10s of milliseconds probably, as there was no digital compression, and the only things that put delays in pictures were occasional synchronisers (and in the 70s they weren't universal), cables and the radio waves used to get the pictures to your home. It was perfectly possible for OBs, Studios etc. to use off-air sound and vision as a remote cue.
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Coronation Street

james-2001 posted:
Looks like Granada had invested in a new caption generator for today's episodes too, credits in a slightly different font and scroll right to the top of the screen rather than vanishing slightly before the top.


Hmm - it probably means either they've switched editing platforms or have a new template in their NLE? I don't think credits have been added via separate caption generators on edited shows for a long time have they. That stopped when linear tape suites disappeared?
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

james-2001 posted:
noggin posted:
(you still see so many with the long-since-retired Albert+ version ...)


I wonder if they changed it because so many people thought Albert+Sustainable were a production company?


I think that the overall logo and text looked like a Prod Co credit (Albert+Sustainable Production). The new logo and text (Albert Sustainable Production Certification) is less ambiguous.
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

Don't know if it was posted already, but the BBC Studios logo on the end board at the end of the show was the pre-April version rather than the current BBC Reith version. But at least it had the right Albert logo (you still see so many with the long-since-retired Albert+ version ...)
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The X Factor 2018

Square Eyes posted:
noggin posted:


Didn't X factor originally have Popstars/Pop Idol style low-key auditions?

They then radically revamped and went for huge, overblown auditions with a large audience in venues bigger than Fountain studios (so the live shows felt smaller?)

They now appear to have downscaled the auditions again?



No we went back to the rooms, and now it's overblown auditions again at Wembley.


Ah, like a large chunk of the British viewing public, I've not watched for ages...
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Live Inside No. 9 breakdown

Spencer For Hire posted:
noggin posted:
Inspector Sands posted:

From a TVF perspective it's a good thing the regional news wasn't on as it was set in Manchester but they wouldn't have got North West Tonight in that telly (not that it would have been I suppose as they would have timed it exactly)


It would have been pretty easy to arrange a vision feed from Salford to Maidstone if that had been needed.


Or just take it off DSat, surely?


Yes - though the former might actually be easier in some areas Smile