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ITV abandons the South Bank


The other thing was that the ITV companies after 1993 had to commission a minimum 25% of their programming from independents. It could be suggested that if you went back to the old business model, with 14 separate companies, with their own studio facilities, then if ITV wished to commission a series, the ITV companies could tender for the right to produce the series, as could independents.

Still would never have guaranteed that the studio complexes, such as Eastern Way in Carlisle, or City Road in Newcastle, would be filled will wall to wall productions.


The reality is that ITV as evolved into a single, unified channel, it didn't and couldn't commission or broadcast enough studio shows from : STV, Grampian, UTV, Border, Tyne Tees, Yorkshire, Granada, Anglia, Central, HTV, TSW/Westcountry, TVS/Meridian, Thames/Carlton, LWT, Channel to justify all of them having studio centres (in some cases - TVS, Central, Anglia, Thames - multiple studio centres)

The writing was on the wall before 1993 - that's why both Carlton and Meridian (and Westcountry?) effectively pitched successfully and launched as pubcasters. Meridian kept Northam running but wasn't really that interested in making their own studio productions, and post 1993 the closures started as the inevitable mergers started.

If you count the number of studios ITV had in total in the late 80s - it was clear there was a ridiculous level of overcapacity based on ITV network output - and ITV regional output of large studio shows was hardly going to be a significant element of output moving forward.

There was a degree of mitigation as Channel Four commissioned some studio shows (The Tube from Tyne Tees for instance) - but even then the capacity wasn't needed where ITV had it - and facilities like Limehouse picked up more C4 work than ITV regional studios I guess.

The irony is that we've gone from ridiculous over capacity (even the BBC had too much studio capacity in the 90s) - to having to convert film studios rather than using purpose built studios... The pendulum has swung too far - but that's probably inevitable.

(C4 Racing also kept Thames / Anglia / Yorkshire's OB fleets viable for a bit longer than would otherwise have been the case too)

I do wonder if anyone in the late 80s would have predicted TVS at Vintners Park would be the last real ITV studio centre from that era that survived as a fully flexible studio centre 30 years later (*)? I can't think of any other properly equipped studio centre left that's still making a decent amount of output (Granada Quay Street may come back into that fold) I'm sure people would have though Granada, LWT and Thames studios would have been more likely to have survived.

(*) EPIC (ex-Anglia studios) in Norwich could also be considered I guess - and it is occasionally used for network productions like World of Sport Wrestling, but it's not quite the same as Maidstone Studios in on-air use.

You could also look back from the 70s and add the ATV Elstree operation (now BBC Elstree and home of Children in Need and General Election shows I guess)
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If they insist on live video I wonder how a camera shooting the height of 30 Rock would look?


Very odd I imagine - virtual windows only really work when the view behind the presenters is a typical 'window view'? How far away from 30 Rock would you have to shoot from to get a full height view at a decent 'head on' angle - wouldn't the relative scale difference just look a bit weird (a bit like the old BBC regional news 'weather cam window' sets)
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Christmas TV 2018

e watershed I seem to recall. There will have been more than a few edits but how on earth did they get round the drawing scene, given how central it is to the plot?


3 or 4 years RTE showed it at lunchtime on Christmas day unedited

My guess, it was RTE, they just took the DVD and bunged it on air to fill three and a half hours and never bothered to edit it.


DVDs are not likely to be used as TX sources for movies by any mainstream public broadcaster in Europe...
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Top of the Pops

So you can say the S word on BBC4 TOTP, but we have to pretend Mike Smith never existed.


No - we just have to respect his and his widow's wishes.
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London Live

Playout is provided by Comux, paid for by the local television stations.
The license fee money came to the stations by forcing the BBC to buy raw footage/news packages from the locals.


AIUI there was also some initial licence fee funding to set-up Comux?
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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

While we know Disney have effectively acquired it purely by accident, I would not be surprised if the entire physical archive is somewhere at ITV - I'm presuming with this logic the Game Show Story documentary was an internal ITV Studios production and not an Indie.


It was a Shiver production, so yes, in-house at ITV. But that show was a piece of light entertainment and the TVS Catchphrase clip just used in a montage to represent game shows in general rather than a specific piece about Catchphrase and TVS - so, good though that doc was, they clearly weren't spooling through acres of tape and ploughing through acres of paperwork to find it and digging out rare footage, it was clearly very easily available.

Presumably it's a bit like the Mike Smith situation, it's perfectly possible to show clips from them under fair use, but showing the whole programme is much more complicated.

Yes - the paperwork is irrelevant for a "fair use" clip as there are no rights to settle, if any fee is paid to the distributor then it is purely for the admin involved in providing a copy.


If by 'fair use' you mean the UK 'fair dealing' system - then you wouldn't normally be able to fair deal a clip that you have specifically requested from a distributor for them to supply. You'd need to source the clip independently usually - which is why 'fair dealing' clips are often sourced from VHS, DVD or YouTube (You can tell them because they always have a lot of credit information on them - director/writer, broadcaster/production company etc.)

You can 'fair deal' a clip from your own archive (remember broadcasters don't own all the rights to their shows) - but it's contractually difficult to source a clip from someone else's archive and then fair deal it.

HOWEVER - in this case if the broadcaster has a copy of the material in their archive but can't legally sell it to you because they don't have information about the rights to let them do so, they may well agree to supply it for a fee (to cover costs of duplication/digitising and uploading) if you accept the rights issues surrounding it and chose to use it by 'fair dealing' it.

(Fair Dealing is complex - but you are usually allowed 'Criticism or Review', 'Reporting Current Events' or 'Quotation' usage. You have to use the minimum length possible to make your point - and quotation has to be short - usually <20" and often less than <10". Under criticism or review you have to criticise or review the artistic work you have specifically shown for at least the duration of the material show if not longer, you can't run 1'00" of content and talk about it for 10"...)
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Eurovision 2019

Haven’t Switzerland always sent multiple broadcasting delegations to represent the various official languages of the country?

Not that I'm aware of - AIUI the Swiss broadcast model means that the various language broadcasters are still overall part of an umbrella broadcast organisation rather than being totally separate. I'd imagine they send a combined delegation?

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And I think Belgium used to alternate between French and Dutch broadcasters?


Last I heard that was still the case.
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Eurovision 2019

Sorry. To be fair, he's the only person I know that still thinks this is a competition between broadcasters - he hates the flag parade and any sort of flag being on screen for that reason. If he got Sand's job the flag parade would be of TV logos. Which would go down well here to be fair...

How did he cope in the years when two broadcasters were involved in Germany with the semifinal/final split ?
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The X Factor 2018

So er what the hell happened? So many questions here - what caused the technical fault itself, considering the performances turned up clean of the problems soon after? Why weren't these versions put out to transmission instead? Did they play the show live from LH2 down the line to ITV and that's where the issue arose?

My first guess is that the Playout was as-live from LH2, and that there were circuit issues between LH2 and ITV. Normally you'd expect a main and reserve set-up to mitigate these issues - but if you've already lost one circuit (or had difficulties establishing it) I can see how this could happen.

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But my biggest question is why didn't ITV playout themselves stop a show which wasn't fit for broadcast? This just seems bizarre to me how one of the most well known shows in the country, on series 15, on one of the biggest TV channels went to air like this. And not even live, pre recorded! Very strange.


It's worth remembering that ITV don't handle their own Playout - ITV Playout is handled by Red Bee Media. Third party Playout operations like Red Bee are usually not allowed to take editorial decisions themselves under their Playout contracts, so I guess an ITV person would take the decision about whether to pull a show that has still not quite fallen off-air. It's important to remember that the people who put ITV on-air aren't all ITV staff, and have to work to strict contractual guidelines. They don't have the same latitude as they might have done when they were in-house. I expect there are ITV staff on-site at Red Bee to handle these situations, and refer up if need be. My guess is that they stuck with it in the hope it could be resolved whilst still on-air.
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The X Factor 2018

Johnr posted:
From what I've read, they keep mentioning the vote will 'open' during the show tonight, could that mean they'll do the actual results/sing off at the start of next Saturday's show instead?


They may be able to restructure - rejig filler (or extend the slot) and have long enough voting and verification windows still.
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Eurovision 2019

There's not a lot of love for 2010 in fan circles, but I think that's for the same reasons as 2018.


Why on earth is that ? The Oslo hosts were great, the script was funny, the camera coverage of the acts was fantastic (and well scripted), the stage was a welcome contest to the LED-screen- centric 2009 show and the interval act in the final was innovative and a lot of fun. It's still one of my favourite contests.
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Eurovision 2019

On the subject of English in Sweden I'm toying with going to Melfest's final. Is it much fun for an English speaker?

The Melfest final is pretty accessible for non Swedish speakers. If you’re familiar with the show then it will be no problem. I attended the 2017 final and it was great fun. For the jury votes they will speak to the international jury spokespersons in English.

This year we went to the semi final in Malmö and that was fab too. Obviously the ‘jokes’ are a bit lost on you but the visual g‪ags etc are fun.

You’ll be familiar with “Nu kör Vi” and “‪Vi har ett resultat‬” anyway!


Yep - and if you learn the numbers it's even more fun

"Två poäng gå till melodi nummer fyra" = "Two points go to song number four"

Plus some gags are often in English (c.f. Lynda Woodruff - hopefully with SDF presenting we may see a glimpse of her?)