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ITV abandons the South Bank

bilky asko posted:
Neil Jones posted:
Markymark posted:

No, but rather like MicroSoft have with Ctl-Alt-Del, he's made it really popular


CTRL-Alt-Delete wasn't an MS initiative. It was actually part of the original IBM PC specification dating back to 1981 and outside of an operating system the BIOS responds to it (for a reboot). The only reason it became 'popular' at all was because it appeared prior to login on Windows machines; Bill Gates said years later it was a mistake, he wanted a key that was never added to the standard IBM PC keyboard.


Which was the point that Markymark was making, wasn't it?


Yes.
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Presenters and Rostas

Steve Williams posted:

As you say, NewsView carried on for a few years - there's one on YouTube from I think 1989 where they're still using the old pre-1988 graphics - but then at the turn of the nineties it just became a straightforward news bulletin. And that carried on for the entire nineties, and outside the afternoon summaries, it was the only "proper" news bulletin on BBC2 all week. There wasn't anything particularly special about it other than it had quite a long sports bulletin in it - maybe that was the only reason they kept it on.


I wonder if the BBC Two bulletin was usually scheduled against Grandstand - which could run for a pretty long time on BBC One? (i.e. the BBC realised it needed to offer a reasonable afternoon bulletin but there wasn't an early slot on BBC One?)

Didn't NewsView also carry subtitles in the days before teletext subtitles on news bulletins were universal (and near universally receivable)?
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Brekkie posted:
noggin posted:
I don't think there are caravans of people walking up and down the road each day?

Let's keep the Trumpisms out of here please.


It was unwitting - he didn't invent the phrase Smile
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Inspector Sands posted:

And of course the new arrangements seem to be working out well on screen... but we've no idea how much better or worse they are in terms of logistics and production they are, or how the staff feel about it. I imagine the geographic split between offices and studio won't work that well in winter


I'm not sure your point about the split between offices and studio? I think it just means you turn left or you turn right out of White City tube when you arrive at work (or your early morning cab takes a different route)?

I don't think there are caravans of people walking up and down the road each day? ITV Daytime will no doubt have operational production offices at Television Centre near their studios, just as the studios had in the BBC TV Centre days (and like programmes like Newsnight had separate to their offices in the news centre) I'd expect the on-the-day live teams to be based at TV Centre in these areas, rather than whizzing up and down Wood Lane. The planning teams and 'next day' production teams will prep at BBC White City?

Sure you might have to walk back from TVC to White City once you're off-air if you need to continue working (and can't stay in the studio production office) - but that's hardly a major issue unless Hammersmith and Fulham have forgotten to grit the pavements between the two building (and from memory the BBC - or its workplace partners - used to do this if they didn't)
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Jonwo posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
The idea behind the original South Bank plan was to have everyone under one roof and for a company as big as ITV not to have it's own HQ is apparently fairly unusual. What it has now - rented accommodation in Grays Inn Road, Holborn and White City, along with the hired facilities at TVC and BT Sport - probably isn't that conducive to being a long term arrangement, it was only intended to be temporary after all.

I would have thought that ITV will have to find a new HQ at some point, though it wouldn't necessarily have studios in it of course. My prediction is that they'll end up relocating everything under one roof at either Chiswick or Stratford (the latter would provide a river location too should it really be that important)


Stratford would be a strong bet given how many companies has relocated there although I imagine they’d keep the daytime shows at TVC.


AIUI ITV considered Stratford as a combined HQ and studio location but decided against it.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Stuart posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Fairly easy, they just gradually phase out the current background by covering it up and not having it as prominently in shot. Then just not have it on the new set.... or have a different view

ITV have been quite robust in ensuring that the viewers know the "river view" is fake. It really doesn't matter where they produce the programme from any more, or what background they use as the set. It's a part of their image, not necessarily their location.


Yes - it's just a visual brand for one of their small daytime shows. Pursuing a property strategy based around an on-screen view that's seen by <1m between 1030 and 1230 Mon-Fri probably isn't a sensible route to go down Smile The screen solution is fine, and the 'window' is part of the This Morning DNA.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Inspector Sands posted:
The idea behind the original South Bank plan was to have everyone under one roof and for a company as big as ITV not to have it's own HQ is apparently fairly unusual. What it has now - rented accommodation in Grays Inn Road, Holborn and White City, along with the hired facilities at TVC and BT Sport - probably isn't that conducive to being a long term arrangement, it was only intended to be temporary after all.

I would have thought that ITV will have to find a new HQ at some point, though it wouldn't necessarily have studios in it of course. My prediction is that they'll end up relocating everything under one roof at either Chiswick or Stratford (the latter would provide a river location too should it really be that important)


I'm not so sure now.

ITV, like the BBC, really doesn't really function like a single company any more.

The commissioning and channel arm are quite distant from the ITV Studios production arms, and the ITV Daytime operations.

Just like the BBC in London has multiple sites - BBC News, Radio and TV Channel teams at NBH, BBC Studios (i.e. production) at Broadcast Centre, TV Centre, Elstree (and a tiny bit at NBH), BBC Studioworks at TV Centre, BBC Elstree and Elstree Film studios etc., there is no real reason for ITV to be co-sited in one place now. I think ITV has realised this isn't a huge issue by actually experiencing it.
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Local TV

Brekkie posted:
Can you imagine the flack the BBC would be getting if they'd launched a series of sub-par local channels with licence fee money, subsidised by commercial income. Quite rightly they'd be slated.


Precisely. Yet the BBC trialled local TV in the West Midlands - and by all accounts it was a lot higher quality than the That's/Made output - but was not extended because of competition fears (local papers mainly I think)...
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Sky News | General Discussion

JK08 posted:
Map shown just after the 12pm TOTH. Not exactly sure what this supposed to show?
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I think it shows a limited weekend graphics budget?
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ITV abandons the South Bank

mannewskev posted:
So regarding ITV ditching its plans for a new base on the South Bank, would it be an option for them to still build a new standalone studio for This Morning there or would that be completely out of the question?


It's surely an option for them - but they will only pursue it if it makes good business sense for them.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Andrew posted:
There was also the issue that today’s big shows were too big for the biggest traditional TV shows.

Would TXF/BGT etc, had their been 90s shows have come from TLS studio 1?


Well X Factor and BGT both came from former ITV Studios until recently didn't they?

Fountain Studios was an ex-ITV operation and was built for the predecessor to Thames (Associated Rediffusion), and used by LWT prior to (and after?) their South Bank Centre opening.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Stuart posted:
mannewskev posted:
So regarding ITV ditching its plans for a new base on the South Bank, would it be an option for them to still build a new standalone studio for This Morning there or would that be completely out of the question?

Is there any requirement for ITV Breakfast/Daytime to produce their shows from their own facilities (or ones rented from BBC Studioworks)?

Could they not just outsource the whole operation to an indie?


I can't see any legal reason why ITV couldn't commission the ITV Daytime shows from Indies, or from ITN, as long as they met any licensing conditions that their Breakfast licence 0600-0925 may have (if that still exists as a separate licence). They would be free to use any studios they liked (their own or third party) unless ITV stipulated differently in the tender.

However whether this would make business sense is a different matter.