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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

Riaz posted:
And you think there would still have been ITV digital channels if that had been on the agenda? They only existed as a result of significant investment from the commercial entities which owned most of the franchises (including your dreaded Carlton). With a franchise round upcoming at such a crucial time - you really think they would have even thought about investing millions in channels they could imminently lose?


I'm not going to go through the history of the ONdigital fiasco, but did the 1990 Broadcasting Act effectively factor in the potential that ITV (companies) could by 2000ish have additional satellite, cable, or DTT channels, and how they would be handled at a future franchise round?


I don't think they were foreseeing DTT in 1990 - but it was already clear that satellite and cable channels were changing the landscape. The IBA had already awarded our national DBS channels to BSB, after the BBC/IBA joint venture didn't work out (Granada/Anglia + others were involved initially)

Similarly the ITV companies (apart from Thames) and Virgin had created SuperChannel (on European satellite and cable), which although not a success for them (they'd sold it by 1990 I think) did demonstrate that it was a new part of the media landscape.

It was clear by 1990 that non-terrestrial broadcasting was going to be a new revenue opportunity for commercial broadcasters - and particularly for ITV franchise holders who produced high-value, popular content.
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The new NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

a516 posted:
London News instead of EMT this morning. In the old days Midlands Today would have been offered instead.




I think that was usually only the case if the presenter hadn't turned up? (i.e. there were not major technical issues and the region could still opt-out with a feed from Midlands Today)

However there may have been an oddity due to legacy routing that meant EMT was routed via Pebble Mill (from the sub-opt days) that meant it was possible for Birmingham to opt-out on East Midlands' transmitters without reconfiguring the network distribution hugely.

(There also used to be a network sustaining 'pecking order' with Elstree being the main network source - as they couldn't opt-out themselves - followed by Southampton, then Norwich. You'd quite often see Pauline Brandt at 0630 on a Monday rather than Gargy Patel... ISTR that one day neither Elstree nor Southampton were able to opt-out - neither presenter had managed to get in - and London cancelled the opt as they couldn't arrange how to handle the opt-out with Norwich)
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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

The elephants in the room that everyone ignores when comparing the UK TV market to the US market are the BBC and Channel 4.

The US model doesn't have two well-funded, popular, public service broadcasting TV organisations - commanding a 1/3rd of the viewing audience before any of the other networks make a start. Plus BBC One is the most popular channel in the UK.

That does make a significant change to the ecosystem - plus the US has a mix of O&O and Affiliates, plus network production, and syndication - which doesn't really map to any previous UK model does it? (The ITV model never really had separate network production - all non-indie productions were made by individual franchises, which would equate to large US local stations? ITV didn't have a separate 'network' production operation until it became ITV plc)


The US has PBS though, which is different again.


Yes - read my second paragraph again. PBS is not the US's most popular TV channel is it? That's the point I was making. The big four US networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox) don't have the same competition from PBS as ITV do from the BBC...

PBS in the US is not a well funded public service broadcaster... It's not like ARD/ZDF, France Television, TVE, RAI, SVT, NRK etc. is it?
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The new NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

I always thought Central News South was a regional news programme which punched very much above its weight. For a fairly small sub-region it always seemed very polished and professional with strong presenters. Anne Dawson and Wesley Smith were a fantastic pairing.

When I moved from Gloucestershire to Yorkshire in the mid-90s, I was struck by how amateurish Calendar seemed in comparison.


It was usually quite cutting edge with its technology too. (Famously so in terms of its launch show)

It had robot cart machines, and then Quantel non-linear editing far-far-before the BBC (or ITN) had their Quantel systems.
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The Sport Thread

DE88 posted:


Isn't the rebrand of At The Races to Sky Sports Racing meant to take place on or before 1 January 2019?


Article in the Guardian yesterday said this change will take place on Jan 1 2019, along with moving production from SIS/Arqiva in Milton Keynes to Sky Sports In Osterley.

They also have filled the gap with the loss of Irish racing, with UK exclusive French racing.


I guess now SIS = Sports Information Services (not Satellite Information Services) and the former SISLive division has been sold to NEP, and will soon rebrand as 'NEP Connect' there is no real link between SISLive at Milton Keynes/Salford and horse racing.
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NOW Christmas

Here's a TV Forum dilemma: the music video for Wham's Last Christmas which is 16:9 letterbox.

When it's shown in its original aspect ratio, it's postage stamped and looks a bit odd.

When it's cropped, the limitations of the picture quality are enhanced, especially on modern sized TVs.

What's preferable?


When shown in its entirety I'd usually chose to leave it in 4:3 - and pillar boxing if it is not possible to broadcast it 4:3 full-width (there is no HD full-width standard)

It's a case by case thing though - if you can upscale using a high quality upscaler in an edit (not just the default NLE scalers which are often lousy) and are only using an excerpt in the midst of other 16:9 full-width content - there is an argument for cropping and zooming to 16:9 full width.
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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

The elephants in the room that everyone ignores when comparing the UK TV market to the US market are the BBC and Channel 4.

The US model doesn't have two well-funded, popular, public service broadcasting TV organisations - commanding a 1/3rd of the viewing audience before any of the other networks make a start. Plus BBC One is the most popular channel in the UK.

That does make a significant change to the ecosystem - plus the US has a mix of O&O and Affiliates, plus network production, and syndication - which doesn't really map to any previous UK model does it? (The ITV model never really had separate network production - all non-indie productions were made by individual franchises, which would equate to large US local stations? ITV didn't have a separate 'network' production operation until it became ITV plc)
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Blockbusters to be revived by Comedy Central

ttt posted:

The US version never had the student angle which I suspect was the reason it was so successful in the UK. None of the rehashes have worked.

The US version didn't flop, really. The original with Bill Cullen lasted two years, which given that it went out five days a week continuously for that time was a decent enough run -- especially as the early 80s was when game shows generally started their decline there, and there were very few successful new formats.


Was Countdown a game show in the US? Here it always felt far more like a quiz show - where the taking part was far, far more important than any (usually low key) prize.
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Loose Women

It looks a right mess to me too.


Yep - and they've made the classic error of dark green Christmas trees. They need a tonne of light (or lights) to avoid them just looking like a dark, dull mess.
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Blockbusters to be revived by Comedy Central

JAS84 posted:
Yeah, the only comedy that should be in Blockbusters are mascots and "can I have a P".


Lots of comedians/comedy actors have presented 'straight' game shows though haven't they? Roy Walker, Bob Monkhouse, Alexander Armstrong instantly spring to mind, but I'm sure there are many more. (Paddy McGuinness and Paul O'Grady too)

Comedians often have quick wits which means they can be great choices for hosts, rather than being chained to a prompter or a script.

Dara has a presenting CV as well as a stand-up CV too - Stargazing Live, Robot Wars, Go 8-bit, Dara's School of Hard Sums etc. and use to be a kids presenter in Ireland. He's got a strong academic background - so is a good choice for a more academic quiz like Blockbusters.
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Eurovision 2019

One of the advantages of Melodifestivalen is that the staging comes fully formed. Mans, Frans, Robin and Benjamin all had identical staging at the contest to their MF performances. Yet at EYD they don't think about this until after .


I don't know how you know what the thought processes of the people working on EYD are? I think rather than 'don't think about this' you may mean 'aren't able to commission this'...

The costs of staging Melodifestivalen are huge - and AIUI the staging costs for some of the more elaborate numbers are picked up by a record label rather than SVT (who also benefit from sponsorship for the event)
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BBC World News | 30th October 2017 Onwards


Since you mention patching is it possible for a CCU to handle another camera of the same make or family or are they a married pair?


No you can mate any compatible camera head with a compatible CCU from the same manufacturer. Manufacturers often allow older CCUs to talk to newer camera heads to reduce upgrade costs or aid flexibility in deployment across a fleet ISTR.

The CCU will talk to whichever compatible camera head is at the other end of its cable. (If they were a married pair it would be a nightmare on OBs or shows where camera heads and CCUs are shared between studios, and you need to be able to quickly swap out a faulty camera head without having to also swap out a CCU)

On some shows it's entirely conceivable to re-patch a DIFFERENT camera head to the same CCU during a show - rather than having to repo the camera head (though you may repo the operator) - giving you effectively two different camera 1s or two different camera 4s during a show... This is particularly useful if you have cameras on mountings that are difficult to repo or de-rig and re-rig quickly and can mean a reduction in costs (you don't need 2 full chains of CCU/RCP/HEAD, just 1 chain and an extra head) or allow you to run more cameras into a facility wired for fewer cameras.
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