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EastEnders

james-2001 posted:
You see it quite a bit on the BBC4 TOTPs as well, usually at the end of the titles, around the chart countdown or when they show a video (obviously they used a lot of those DVE effects as well).


With the relatively early DVEs in use on TOTP repeats, you used to often be able to tell if a DVE was in circuit by the poorer quality of the picture... (The early Quantel DVEs were far from transparent)
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Markymark posted:
bluecortina posted:
Markymark posted:

What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


I will try and find out some more for you. Given the single was released in 1976 I think we can safely assume the studio cameras were the EMI 2001's. OB's did have IVC 7000 portable and studio cameras. i think those concerned at the time would be disappointed that you refer to it as 'pretty ropey', despite it's somewhat adhoc appearance it would have been staged professionally.

Edited to add, my source does not have any more information I'm afraid although I believe it was directed by Mike Mansfield in one take.


Oh, I'm sure everything was set up properly and professionally. Take a look at 1:27, the registration seems to be noticeably out bottom right of the picture (though as Noggin says the blooming and flaring doesn't 'help')

https://youtu.be/z0qW9P-uYfM?list=RDz0qW9P-uYfM&t=78


Well at 1'27" the whole bottom right of the picture is covered in lens flare so all bets are off Smile The much thicker green edge around Elton's white shirt collar is what made me think that might not be a 2001, but with that amount of light to cope with - who knows?! The more I look at it the more I think that might not be a 2001 though...

The two eye level cameras don't quite match - for my money the camera-left camera is making the nicest pictures.
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Good Morning Britain

The headline sequence has all the OTT hallmarks of US shows, lots of different transitions within each headline for no real reason, though there is also a GMB trademark transition within each headline too. All a bit confused, and feels very in-your-face. "Just because you can..."
jason2016 and chevron gave kudos
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ITV abandons the South Bank

bluecortina posted:
Markymark posted:
bluecortina posted:

Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


I will try and find out some more for you. Given the single was released in 1976 I think we can safely assume the studio cameras were the EMI 2001's. OB's did have IVC 7000 portable and studio cameras. i think those concerned at the time would be disappointed that you refer to it as 'pretty ropey', despite it's somewhat adhoc appearance it would have been staged professionally.

Edited to add, my source does not have any more information I'm afraid although I believe it was directed by Mike Mansfield in one take.


Most of the pictures definitely have a 2001 look (Elton's got the classic flesh tone), though the low angle is trickier to tell because of all the flare and the blooming on the mic stand. (Could an EMI 2001 do that shot even on a different mounting to a normal ped?)
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Who Wants to be a Millionaire?

Larry the Loafer posted:
It's a little bit of a shame it's not live this series. It's still enjoyable but it doesn't feel quite as "eventful" as the last run.


That wasn't live either though.

It's a LOT more expensive to make it live, where you only do one show per day, than it is to pre-record three or more shows a day.

If the show is TX-ed weekly that makes it even more expensive still to do live compared to recording in a block.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Markymark posted:
noggin posted:
Markymark posted:

What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


LWT had IVC handhelds didn't they? (IVC made better VTRs than cameras I believe...)



Ha, I worked at IVC's UK office just after Carlton had bought the company, and renamed it IVCC, they
were by then building DVEs, a bit later the name changed to Abekas, and the rest is history.

Anyway, this was 1984. They were still servicing the IVC cameras for some ITV companies (I can't recall which ones). One of my jobs as a student 'intern', was to produce Quad alignment tapes which involved changing the test signal on a Tek 1411 every three mins, which an IVC Quad VTR recorded. (I wasn't allowed to fiddle with too much on the VTR !) Happy days

IVC 7000 Camera
https://www.tvcameramuseum.org/ivc/ivc7000p/picture/ivc7000p.pdf

(Picture bottom right page 7 is a shot from Thames shooting an outdoor scene from George and Mildred


I didn't know IVC made Quad VTRs. The 2" VTR I knew about was helical.
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ITV abandons the South Bank

Markymark posted:
bluecortina posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Studio 10 wasn't built till the late 80s, a long time before Elton John and Kiki Dee.


I read elsewhere from a reliable source that it was shot in studio 1, oddly


Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


LWT had IVC handhelds didn't they? (IVC made better VTRs than cameras I believe...)

BBC OBs were probably running Fernseh KCR40s in that era I think, though may still have had the Philips PCP-90 'Minicams' that were their first colour handheld (and the only PAL PCP-90s made I believe, though there were rumblings of another PAL broadcaster buying one).
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BBC Scotland channel - service to also launch in HD

Inspector Sands posted:
An evolution of their (BBC Scotland's) long running three stripe logo, which I always thought was very clever. I wonder if it is replacing it everywhere?

The texture on both the S and the BBC logo is hideous and virtually illegible though


Yes - that treatment of the BBC Scotland text is not great...
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International Presentation

JamesM0984 posted:
I don't see how they would fail to work with a VO if you adapted the concept for either BBC One or ITV. Maybe it's because I grew up on Central who did their CAs over a fixed-length ident and piece of music. The way I hear it in my head is finishing the CA to hit the five-note motif.


The issue I have is that the ident has so much of a 'story' or 'narrative flow' with so much going on, so many shot changes etc. that it would fight a VO telling you about something totally different - the details of the next show or channel events happening later. There would a dissonance between what you were seeing and what you were hearing.

If you look at the various BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three or BBC Four idents over the years they've either been continuously neutral, or have had a short bit of action or detail prior to becoming more neutral before the VO starts. They don't try to tell any form of significant story visually.

The SRF stuff looks like it is far more suited to a standalone channel branding sting, or a sting that resolves into a separate menu slate which is then VO-ed? (But in UK terms they are too long for that usage)
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NOW TV

London Lite posted:
noggin posted:
London Lite posted:

AFR doesn't work with Pluto TV for some reason.


That suggests it's an App API thing then - and not automatic at the OS level?


It's a strange one as AFR is an option in the menu, rather than at app level, unlike those on Android TV.


Apple TV works the same though. You can fix the refresh rate at an OS level, or let apps control it.

On the ATV 4 it's still not automatic based on analysis of the incoming video to determine its frame rate, and instead is based on accompanying data alongside the AV asset.
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TV Forum

gottago posted:
noggin posted:
gottago posted:
For some reason I can't access TV Forum on my home WiFi (Hyperoptic), works fine on my phone with WiFi switched off. No other site is affected. Any ideas how I fix it?


What DNS are you using? If you switch to Google's DNS does that fix it?

Do you mean browser? It doesn't work in Safari or Chrome.


No - I mean what DNS are you using (Domain Name Server). It's the bit of the internet you use to convert domain names to IP addresses - without it you can't access any internet addresses by name. If the DNS you are currently using doesn't properly resolve tvforum.uk then another one might.

By default most people use their ISPs DNS (via their router acting as a gateway) - but you can override this to use a third party DNS. Google's is popular. (Lots of people on BT Internet ditched BT's DNS years ago as it slowed browsing down so much)

How you change it depends on your OS. Google is your friend.
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TV Forum

gottago posted:
For some reason I can't access TV Forum on my home WiFi (Hyperoptic), works fine on my phone with WiFi switched off. No other site is affected. Any ideas how I fix it?


What DNS are you using? If you switch to Google's DNS does that fix it?