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The Store is dead

JamesM0984 posted:
I have Amazon TV on my TV but it's very juddery. High Castle is fine but Grand Tour flickers all over the place.


Grand Tour series 1 was 24p, same frame rate as High Castle.
Grand Tour series 2 onwards is 25p (as is most European content on Amazon and Netflix - including The Crown)

If your Smart TV runs at a fixed 60Hz refresh rate (which many do) you will see far more judder on 25p content than 24p (where 3:2 will be used which is less noticeable to many)

It's one reason why using an external device for OTT streaming (IF it supports dynamic frame rate switching) still makes sense for many.

Also the studio elements of Grand Tour have some quite fast camera moves that expose the poor motion rendition of 24/25p capture. (Top Gear uses 50Hz for 'studio' elements, giving twice the number of images per second and much more fluid motion. Only a couple of Netflix test sequences seem to run at >30Hz, and I've not seen any Amazon content at >30Hz)

European TV content is usually shot at 25Hz or 50Hz.
US TV content is usually shot at 24Hz, 30Hz or 60Hz. (Technically 23.976, 29.97 and 59.94Hz)
Movies are almost universally shot at 24 or 23.976Hz.
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26th Anniversary of the biggest shake up in ITV

dazza1976 posted:

Actually, now I've looked at it again, is Phil sitting in front of a chromakey setup? There's a bit of a blue tinge around him... 🤔


Doesn't look like it - that looks either like camera detail or a little bit of receiver ringing. His hair looks far too clean for CSO.
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Top of the Pops

JamesM0984 posted:
Did the 1983 one use Radio 2's FM frequencies then? It's incredible to think Radio 1 was so late to the game with FM.

Story Of was really good this time round. A lot to pack in but they did it well.


Don't forget that neither Radio 2 nor Radio 1 had full-time FM stereo broadcast until Radio 1 got its own FM frequencies. Prior to that R2 and R1 shared a single FM service, rather than R2 having a full-time service and R1 having no FM broadcasts. The Sunday evening R1 Chart show and Annie Nightingale show that followed it was required listening on FM Stereo in the 80s Smile

On RDS receivers the label switched from "BBC R2/R1" to "BBC R1/R2" or similar ISTR (the first listed station was the active one)
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TV Home - Automated recordings of BBC idents

Orry Verducci posted:
MMcG198 posted:
I'm curious about the slight differences between UTV and ITV playout. UTV idents cut to black whilst ITV idents fade to black. Any particular reason for that difference? It does strike me that UTV is being played out from kit that has less functionality than that playing out the main ITV network feed (e.g., no ECPs on UTV).

I'm not sure of the exact technical setup of ITV's broadcast chain so I can't say with certainty, but I believe UTV is setup in the same/similar way to all the other (southern) regions. Therefore it obviously won't have all the capabilites the main network feed has, such as dedicated graphics for ECP's, but would still be fairly capable in terms of playing out video and cutting between live sources.


Usually transitions are a standard feature of any master control cross-point, be it a dedicated vision mixer or an integrated channel device, so all the regions should be able to fade to black if they want to. Therefore I suspect UTV not fading to black is nothing more than a difference in how the black events are scheduled in the automation playlist. I don't think ITV have faded to black that long themselves, I only noticed they started doing it a few weeks ago as they always used to hard cut, so it may be when they changed ITV they forgot to change UTV.


Wouldn't you need a vision mixer (or IP equivalent) dedicated/available to each destination Playout for any processing of a video signal (i.e. fades to black, dissolves etc.)? That's more functionality than a router cross-point would allow (which would be cut only)

I wouldn't be surprised if some aspects of regionalisation didn't get that level of sophistication and instead got 'cuts-only' transitions (which can be handled much more easily at a router or IP-equivalent level)
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International News Presentation: Past and Present

Rkolsen posted:
The pedestal they have seems incredibly awkward and the newscast seems really casual. Are they going for a young audience?


I think RTL II is a channel aimed at a younger demographic, so I guess they are.
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harshy posted:
It’s not very good on Sky it’s juddery!


Please tell me it's not running at 1080i50 or 2160p50 output for 23.976Hz content?! That's a long way from 'premium' quality on a platform like Sky Q...
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TIGHazard posted:
noggin posted:
JamesM0984 posted:
Not everyone wants to pay the extortionate charges Netflix levy.

Also, some people still like to watch their television on a television and not a computer or tablet.

I don't want to have to be hooking my laptop up at 3am in order to watch something on demand, when I have a television set in my bedroom but isn't showing any decent programmes.


What makes you think people don't watch Netflix on a TV? I seldom watch it on anything else. If you don't have a Smart TV then as long as you have a TV with an HDMI input you can use something for <£20 to watch Netflix on it (like a Now TV Smart Stick)


Or if you're already paying for Sky or Virgin, then it's built in.


Isn't it only built-in on Sky Q?
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JamesM0984 posted:
Not everyone wants to pay the extortionate charges Netflix levy.

Also, some people still like to watch their television on a television and not a computer or tablet.

I don't want to have to be hooking my laptop up at 3am in order to watch something on demand, when I have a television set in my bedroom but isn't showing any decent programmes.


What makes you think people don't watch Netflix on a TV? I seldom watch it on anything else. If you don't have a Smart TV then as long as you have a TV with an HDMI input you can use something for <£20 to watch Netflix on it (like a Now TV Smart Stick)
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BBC Scotland channel - service to also launch in HD

Markymark posted:
Brekkie posted:
We know the HD channel is taking the old BBC3 HD space but where are they getting the SD space for this on Freeview considering BBC Alba is already squeezed on the BBC mux by closing some radio stations.


I’m sure this has been answered up thread. BBC Scotland SD will be slotted in to the PSB1 mux in Scotland as an additional service. In short the mux in Scotland will have one extra service compared with the rest of the UK. Modern coding advances etc, ( same trick as PSB 2 where ITV 3 was recently added in )


Do they still ditch the 'analogue' radio services on PSB1 in Scotland to make space for BBC Alba during its TX hours?
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EastEnders

james-2001 posted:
I'm not the biggest fan of the Friends remastering. The framing is often incredibly awkward because they clearly never expected the extra picture at the sides to be used, so often everything's bunched up in the middle of the frame and it looks cramped. At least it's not cropped though (for the most part) unlike some remasterings (i.e. Seinfeld and The Simpsons and the original Blu-Ray release of The World At War- the psuedo HD versions of The Simpsons especially are horiffic).


Wasn't Friends shot 16:9-ish but with the knowledge that it would need to be 4:3 centre-cut safe (and in some cases they didn't bother keeping the edges that clean?)
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EastEnders

james-2001 posted:
Wasn't even always a full shot, quite often the quality change happened mid-shot, which makes it even more noticable.


Yes - that also happened - you'd see the quality drop just before the transition sometimes.

It went away when shows switched to shooting on film and editing on video tape (Dallas famously did this to huge complaints in the UK, because the 50/60 conversion wasn't 3:2 aware and looked like mush. Once a 3:2 DEFT - or similar - process was used to convert from 3:2/60 to 2:2/48 'Slow PAL', which could be replayed at 2:2/50, things improved)
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EastEnders

james-2001 posted:

Actually less noticable when watching those shows now than it used to be in the 90s, I presume because they're new remasters where they've digitally adjusted the picture so the quality matches.


I think they often go back to A/B rolls or earlier for remastering, so don't have to cope with the poor quality opticals in the finished master. (They recreate the 'opticals' digitally)

The drop in quality was because the last shot of a previous scene and the next shot of the following scene were passed through an optical print process to do dissolves, wipes, overlays etc., which wasn't needed for a straight cut. The quality drop was pretty noticeable...