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BBC Scotland - the launch

Roger Darthwell posted:
johnnyboy posted:
Cando posted:

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.


Bad form. You may disagree with him but he is not being repetitive.

You did not answer any of his points which were reasonably made.

Play the ball and not the man next time, please.

Thank you so much! I really appreciate this! I am completely open to debate, that's one of the reasons why I joined this wonderful community!


My pleasure, Roger. Welcome to the forum.

I have been here for 18 years and it is an amazing place full of great people.

Cando is a good guy/girl too and has been here for donkeys - s/he must've been having a bad day but we all have them every now and again.
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johnnyboy Founding member

BBC Scotland - the launch

tellyblues posted:
STV's ventures were always doomed to fail, particularly those that relied on repeats. Their record of commissioning programmes for their own channel has been woeful and led to viewers of STV2, STV Glasgow/Edinburgh and S2 before that constantly seeing Take The High Road and Taggart on the schedule.

BBC Scotland is better off because the back catalogue is broader and contains far more recent stuff but even now there are repeats of repeats. Repeats of original commissions which weren't popular first time round also reflect badly on the channel.

The remit is 50% originals and 50% repeats - does anyone know what a repeat of Inside Central Station would fall under?

Where BBC Scotland is lacking, IMO, is the unimaginative desire to produce derivative versions of programmes/subjects that are vaguely popular and giving up on those that are not, not bothering to question why they weren't successful. This means if you like nature, football and people getting killed the channel has something to offer.


Scotland is and always has been a powerhouse of creativity.

The problem is that it is starved of budget just like BBC4 - a great channel still but it was once amazing.

Scotland pays more than its fair share in licence fee - they should get a bit more. That drama about the two guys and the dead body was amazing but I can't remember the name of it.
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johnnyboy Founding member

BBC Scotland - the launch

Cando posted:
Roger Darthwell posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:

The broadcasting landscape simply doesn't reflect the UK structure, Arguably Scotland and the BBC Scotland channel does this job best, with the linguistic challenge fulfilled by BBC Alba. There is in my view a case for STV to operate a challenger channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities.

I have to respectfully disagree, the BBC Scotland channel, is not doing a good job at all, if it's doing a good job, how do you explain the low viewing figures for the channel?, what the people of Scotland actually wanted was a Scottish News at 6 on BBC1 Scotland, not an entirely new channel that nobody asked for. As for STV, I would like to remind you that STV DID create a new channel in addition to their Channel 3 responsibilities, it was called STV 2, but in 2018 it was closed because of what? Because of low viewers, and also because of the launch of this BBC Scotland channel. Let's remember that back in the 90s Sky also created a channel for Scottish people, it was called Sky Scottish, but also because of low viewers it lasted only 2 years. In the end my point is this, both Sky and STV created a TV channel specifically for Scotland, they both failed, now given that this BBC Scotland channel is plagued by the same issues that brought the closure of Sky Scottish and STV 2, what makes you think that this one is going to succeed where both Sky and STV failed?


Do you ever get tired of repeating the same post? The channel is doing fine imho. Your agenda/ obsession is hijacking a thread.


Bad form. You may disagree with him but he is not being repetitive.

You did not answer any of his points which were reasonably made.

Play the ball and not the man next time, please.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

UK Govt launch another attack on BBC, C4 & S4C

UsuallyLurks posted:
The irony of this comment is that it's aimed at the type of voter that claims to abhor "identity politics"


I personally detest identity politics but the BBC, as imperfect as it is, is a national treasure which sells the country to the rest of the world.

Whoever said that this is a distraction from the handling of the pandemic is spot on.

I don't think I've ever hated a government as much as this one and I'm what may be considered one of the people most likely to support it.

Reform the BBC - yes. Make it better reflect a wider variety of opinions - yes.

But scrap it, defund it, or neuter it so it can't do what it does better than anyone else - no.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

(ITV) Merit

steddenm posted:
It was called The Advert Channel. There is a discussion about it here: https://tvforum.uk/tvhome/advert-channel-13024


Thanks, steddemn.

I actually remember that thread now, particularly Baroness Trumpington's excellent initial contribution.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

(ITV) Merit

J. Lyric posted:
Ne1L C posted:
Brekkie posted:
What's that then - 50 days from launch until closure. Must be a record surely.


I believe it is. Shorter than this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Television_Service_for_Wales_and_the_West

Y'all should see how long the "Cable Music Channel" lasted.

October 26th to November 30th. A five-week run.

Much shorter than Merit and "ITSWW".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_Music_Channel

"One cannot expect to stand up to the might of MTV and live"


Does anyone remember a channel dedicated to old TV ads from the early days of Sky Digital which lasted for a few days?

I just can't remember the name of it but, as soon as I heard about it, I did worry that the investors into the channel had been over-optimistic about the public's lasting interest in this type of content.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

UKTV Presentation

Something has been puzzling me for a long while about UKTV.

In an effort to not wake the baby when I first became a Dad, I had the TV volume on very low and put on the subtitles after putting him to bed.

Now, I find it hard not to watch TV without subtitles (except live subtitles which are annoying).

My question is - why do the subtitles on UKTV channels always have a very wide right margin?

TIA.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

New BBC social media guidelines

What a mess.

I am pleased that, if it was true, that the ban on going to Pride parades was overturned.

Britain is, thankfully, a in a very different place with regard to its general societal attitude to gay people and lesbians compared to 30 years ago.

I have no doubt that the confidence, colour, and vibrancy of the gay community best expressed through Pride festivals were a minor but significant factor in changing attitudes.

I can see both sides of the argument here but I probably lean more towards censorship of staff's opinions.

This does not sit easily with me however.

I have employed people for over 2 decades now and staff's behaviour and attitudes (both online and offline) can affect public perception of an organisation and upset its place in the community.

Why should one person be able to threaten the stability or the perception of a business or an organisation through their behaviour or attitudes?

It's even tougher for Auntie.

The BBC is publically funded - it enjoys an extraordinary privilege over its competitors. (For the record, I love the BBC and I want the licence fee to continue).

The social media posting of Laura K, Gary L, Emily M, etc have called into doubt in the minds of many the BBC's impartiality and its ability to report the news without prejudice.

You may completely disagree with the people who have those opinions but the money they pay in licence fees is as good as anyone else's money and they should have just as much say in how the BBC is run.

Laura K, Gary L, Emily M, etc are in the pay of the BBC and this, imho, gives the BBC the right to insist on certain standards of behaviour.

*ducks head*
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GB News

JCB posted:
johnnyboy posted:
JCB posted:

So you keep saying but you can't seem to get specific. What's your "just as bad" equivalent of Fox News' ingrained racism? It's denial of climate science?


So are you agreeing that all of the networks are bad but asserting that Fox is worse?


I'm saying give us an example of what msnbc and cnn do that you consider to be equally as bad as Fox News' "wokeness and diversity are to blame for the Wuhan flu" and "climate change is a hoax invented by China" but you deflected and insisted I was triggered. Ironically in a typically Fox News way.


Irony indeed.

I still think you need to go out for a walk.

I went for one and it's done me the world of good.
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

GB News

JCB posted:
johnnyboy posted:
elmarko posted:
What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.


Amazing how us plebs need to take a psychology and critical thinking course to see the truth (according to elmarko).

I have watched all three networks a lot over the last two months and they are all as bad as each other.


So you keep saying but you can't seem to get specific. What's your "just as bad" equivalent of Fox News' ingrained racism? It's denial of climate science?


So are you agreeing that all of the networks are bad but asserting that Fox is worse?

You may be right.

Fair enough if you are but that still means that they're all bad.

I don't understand your being triggered by my posts so much.

It's just an Internet forum. Go out for a walk, mate 😭
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GB News

elmarko posted:
What do people mean when they say as bad as each other? In practice?

Show me two opposing things from each side to demonstrate how they’re the same. Make the argument. Don’t just come out with cliches.

I’d be hard pushed to find anything that was done on a network like CNN or MSNBC that was in any way as bad as the kind of stuff Fox News have done. I’ll absolutely stand by that. The motivations and psychology aren’t the same, nor are the motivations and psychology of the audience.

They should put Psychology and critical thinking on the national curriculum.

Edit: sailing close to the wind here with what’s OK and not OK on the forum and I don’t like it. I’m ejecting from the thread.


Amazing how us plebs need to take a psychology and critical thinking course to see the truth (according to elmarko).

I have watched all three networks a lot over the last two months and they are all as bad as each other. I apologise profusely for not diarising my observations as do the rest of the great unwashed in this thead, probably Smile

CNN and MSNBC don't appear as bad to you because of your confirmation bias, most likely.

Are you sure that you don't need the psychology and critical thinking course?
JO
johnnyboy Founding member

GB News

London Lite posted:
IMHO, I can't stand any of the US cable news channels at the moment, MSNBC which recently some people on here were adamant is a 'news' channel despite being a voice for the Democrats, CNN has become the Trump bashing channel while Fox News is now America's version of Russia Today which is pro-Trump. The actual amount of impartial news content on these channels is at the bare minimum.


100% agreed. I could not improve on your summary.

For the last 2 months, I have been recovering from an operation and I have spent a lot of time watching Fox, CNN, and MSNBC.

They are all as bad as each other, imho.
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