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all new Phil3,096 posts since 12 Feb 2005
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New BBC corporate font: BBC Reith

Are we expecting Reith on news from next week then? I’m sure it was said it’d be after the EU election.

Next week starts with a bank holiday and is then half term so probably the week after at the earliest (personally expecting the first week of September at this point).

Well if Years and Years is anything to go by, they still won’t have changed by 2024.
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Eurovision 2020 - Netherlands - NOS - AVRO-TROS

There was a very good interview on Sky News earlier where they discussed the UK’s performance. The interviewee made the very good point that countries like The Netherlands and Austria were stuck in that same rut as us - it was only when they stopped blaming everyone else for their own performance that they had success.

Times have changed and the UK hasn’t kept up. Why on earth would we expect the rest of Europe to get behind a song that we can’t even get behind ourselves?
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Eurovision 2019

I noticed this week that GMB were heavily covering it and even sending out Richard Arnold to Tel Aviv.

Out of curiosity, what could ITV do differently that BBC couldn't selection wise?

Record companies would be much more willing to get involved if there was potential to make money out of it, which I’m guessing they can’t do with the BBC. With ITV in control there would be a lot more money in the mix, whereas I imagine the BBC are very restricted in what they can fork out.
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Eurovision 2019

I’m glad more people seem to be waking up to the fact it’s not the “Europe hates us” thing that stops up doing well - it’s the creative vacuum at the heart of our selection process and the fact that pretty much every other country has upped their game significantly.

You watch pretty much all of the entries and long for the UK to be as bold. The BBC are simply the wrong people to be running this for us.
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Jeremy Kyle Axed

I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of the Real Housewives of Cheshire type shows off ITV Be go into this slot. Arguably closer to the JK demographic, and would provide a good shop window for ITV Be that is strangely missing off ITV otherwise.

Remember it probably needs to be something recorded (because of studio needs), it needs to appeal to the mums just back from the school run audience, and needs to fit in with the wider schedule (which Real Deal doesn’t at all at this time).
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BBC Scotland - the launch


I think the only one that has worked is the world news on BBC4 - and even then that’s just a simulcast of BBC World, so it’s not exactly breaking the bank. Interestingly enough, though, there were a few current affairs programmes on ITV2 when it first launched, including a weekly media programme called Wide Angle, which I suspect would have interested many on here.

Even that started as a specially-commissioned show for BBC4 though.


I didn’t know that - interesting. Has it been shown on World since the start, or did that happen later?



It was always simulcast on World as well I think but it was obviously not just a standard World simulcast we get now.
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BBC Scotland - the launch

Has a full news programme on a channel other than the main 1-5 ever actually worked (obviously excluding news channels)? They always end up getting cancelled - thinking More 4 News, news on BBC3/Choice, there’s probably more.


I think the only one that has worked is the world news on BBC4 - and even then that’s just a simulcast of BBC World, so it’s not exactly breaking the bank. Interestingly enough, though, there were a few current affairs programmes on ITV2 when it first launched, including a weekly media programme called Wide Angle, which I suspect would have interested many on here.

Even that started as a specially-commissioned show for BBC4 though.
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Bradley Walsh’s Late Night Guest List

Apart from The Graham Norton Show, there isn't really any competition to go up against Graham here in the UK. The Jonathan Ross Show is dull, boring, terrible guests,

You’ve answered your own question there.

There seems to be a rule now where if you aren’t this week’s Hollywood A lister flogging this week’s new cinema release then you are automatically seen as a crap guest. Hence why you don’t have as many chat shows anymore.

Personally I think Graham Norton’s Show has become quite samey and stuck in a rut with movie stars dominating most seats on the couch most weeks and the same old American style of anecdote. He doesn’t even have the British comedian in the right hand seat anymore most weeks, and would much rather see some more down to earth Brits having a chat.


I get the sense that a lot of this comes from people seeing the likes of James Corden and Jimmy Fallon's shows online, with all their viral moments, and thinking 'if they can do that then why can't Graham Norton,' whilst not realising that we just don't have that deep pool of potential guests that they do back in the States.

Not to mention that the viral moments are just that - moments. Whenever I’ve been to the States and watched any of these shows live, they were a lot less entertaining than I expected.
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Substitute programmes

I wonder if this is down to a misunderstanding / uncertainty around the bit regarding guests being booked before an election is called?

My reading of the guidelines suggests that they were probably actually ok, given that Heidi was no doubt booked before it was confirmed the election was going ahead. What probably makes it a grey area, and has given them cold feet about the episode going ahead, is that it could be argued that the election was likely to be going ahead anyway. Clearly if it was black and white, they wouldn’t have had her on.
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