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Sky News

I'll preface this with "Not the views of my employer", but Oh, Jesus!
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London Live

I have always lived in hope that one day, Mouseboy, you would finally grasp that just because something works in America, it won't necessarily also work here. However, you seem hell bent on yet again delivering your sermon on how local TV channels here are missing the obvious because it works in America so it'll be a 100% success here. As many others before me have said, you are most likely wrong.

A large number of channels covering local audiences in the US are often affiliated to a big network like NBC, ABC or CBS, but we don't have that structure in the UK, meaning that any local channel will either be showing repeats or low budget in-house productions when they're not showing news. I know some channels in the US don't have any affiliation, and instead may show syndicated stuff, but we don't have that system here either.

The in-house stuff local TV in the UK produces will then be low budget, because unlike in the US people are not used to having these local channels, and so they don't turn to them. People are used to going to the ITV and BBC for local news, or the websites of local newspapers etc, because that's how it has always worked, and as much as you protest to the contrary old habits die hard.

Your point about 'coverage complexity' being a weak argument is rubbish. It is bloody difficult for any one service to cover an area such as London, because of how devolved all the councils are and how things don't happen consistently council to council. You talk of how LA is full of smaller cities, but how well covered are these smaller places? I suspect that, much like people living in rural parts of BBC and ITV regions, they also think that they aren't particularly well covered by big broadcasters covering a large patch. Likewise, because they're used to the system of good local news, they may be very well covered. But that isn't how it works here.

All in all, you can say as much as you like that local TV is awful here because US broadcasters are fantastic and wise and wonderful, but you're wasting your breath. You consistently fail to put across convincing arguments as to why local TV should work really well here, and when people disagree you tend to roll your eyes, belittle the member involved and repeat why you're right and everyone else is wrong. Give it a rest!


I will give my opinion and join the conversation just like you. I can choose to respond to a statement or agree with another poster if I so choose. Whilst I appreciate your 4 paragraph dissertation on why you think you're right and Im wrong, I dont agree. Thats why its a discussion forum. Yet you tell other specific posters to "give it rest" and their comments are "rubbish" they are "wasting their breath" when people disagree with you. Pot calling the kettle black. Its interesting that you know think you know everything about how North American broadcasting works, but posters from other countries cant know or understand how UK broadcasting works or anything about it. I disagree.
I hope your day gets better. [Hugs] Very Happy

But the thing is... while I'm sure you're a lovely human (ignoring the highly condescending end to your last post), you're coming to the conversation with a mis-framed understanding of the context of how the infrastructure of local broadcasting works in the UK.


Up to a point, that's not your fault, but when you willfully refuse to take on-board input from people who know - and can explain - more than you about the topic at-hand and your best argument essentially becomes: "It's my right to be the loudest voice in the room even if I'm factually wrong", that's actually counterproductive to the conversation to which you're trying to contribute.

Speaking as a Brit who spent his teenage years in Boston (Mass) and ran a website about the local news industry there which regularly big-footed the two sizable local newspapers on media stories, I know both eco-systems well, so while I don't wish to wade into the merits (or lack thereof) of either side of the discussion, I will leave it at this:

The dismissal of the primacy of expertise is responsible for a lot of messed-up stuff in the world right now, but above all, for the coarsening of discussion and debate across all kinds of platforms. Sometimes yielding to others' knowledge actually adds weight to one's own voice in the future.
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News at Ten 50th Birthday

That's brilliant. 'From the jolly nice headquarters of ITN' wouldn't have been quite as authoritative.

My favourite was the cheesy game show piss-take one.



Somewhere, in an alternate universe…


Congratulations on making what is now my favourite-ever post on TVF!
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News at Ten 50th Birthday

That's brilliant. 'From the jolly nice headquarters of ITN' wouldn't have been quite as authoritative.

My favourite was the cheesy game show piss-take one.
DE88, bilky asko and itsrobert gave kudos
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

The CNN example was straight-up rude - he could've scribbled something on a pad and passed it to her while out-of-vision, but it doesn't bear comparisons at all to Colin and Jayne, who have a very jovial relationship on and off-screen.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Are there ever two ways between the gallery and presenter on air? They occasionally happen over here during morning cable shows (I know Morning Joe does it regularly) when the presenter "makes" who ever is talking in their IFB say it on air. I've noticed a few occasions where during Sunrise on the weekends they make comments of producers ridiculing them (this weekend was Stephen Dixon's shoes).


I've never known two-ways between the gallery and presenters to ever happen on air, on any news channel. They mention the production team occasionally, but I don't recall ever seeing or hearing from them. Kay Burley often mentions her director and producer on air too.

Obviously correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope.
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Sky News: Presenters & Rotas

dvboy posted:
Julia Hartley Brewer I assume

Indeed.
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Good Morning Britain


I'd like to see GMB go on a "roadtrip", but I'm not completely sure it would work that well with GMB's fairly news-based focus. There would of-course be the argument of whether the cost to move the show around the country is justified - are people going to care or notice enough to warrant the cost? That said, I think it would work much better with Breakfast, and I think that as the national broadcaster and with perhaps slightly more of a focus on less-serious topics than GMB it would be easier to pull off and justify - but with the BBC budget cuts maybe this too is unlikely?


In the US they occasionally do these. They feature the local towns, interview politicians and show what's good of it. But they always. Have someone back at the studio to report on the serious news.

I'm sure going on the road, maybe renting out space in a pub as a studio where they could broadcast from with an audience. Shows them connecting with the viewers.

I think Channel 9 in Australia Today Show seems to do this twice a year with different locations each day.

I'd watch that, if only to see the reaction to Piers Morgan in different towns!

What? Ya mean: "SEIZE HIM!!!"? Laughing
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Sky News: Presenters & Rotas

Those two are always going to balance each other, and are both experienced enough journos not to need reigning in or steering away from libel/contempt issues. Leaving them to it seems a perfectly valid way to host it.

That's true of the two people to whom you refer, but remember, it's principally the producer's job (most nights, me) to brief the guests on any sensitive legal areas (and sometimes to spare the feelings of guests whose papers might have printed stuff that Sky News as an Ofcom-regulated broadcaster doesn't feel comfortable running.)


That was really the point I was trying to make, that the presenter was able to take more of a back seat with those particular guests but on another night with different guests may need to steer the conversation to a greater degree or put a devil's advocate view etc. The implied criticism of a presenter for knowing when to keep quiet - I mean that in a completely complimentary way - is misplaced.

And, for what it's worth, I didn't take it that way. I was just explaining - as the most-frequent papers producer - how it tends to work. I was sorry to miss doing Amanda's first go last night, as I'm on-leave, but I thought she did very well.
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FOX and Friends - an infomercial for Trump

Would this not be going back to what I was told off about, how this isnt pres but more about Journalists.

Yes, in fairness, it would.
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Sky News: Presenters & Rotas

Those two are always going to balance each other, and are both experienced enough journos not to need reigning in or steering away from libel/contempt issues. Leaving them to it seems a perfectly valid way to host it.

That's true of the two people to whom you refer, but remember, it's principally the producer's job (most nights, me) to brief the guests on any sensitive legal areas (and sometimes to spare the feelings of guests whose papers might have printed stuff that Sky News as an Ofcom-regulated broadcaster doesn't feel comfortable running.)


That way, the presenter doesn't have to intervene, unless it's either needed for the sake of context - to explain to the viewer why we're not talking about something - or in very, very rare cases indeed, if a guest knowingly or otherwise sails close to the legal wind. That hardly ever happens, though, and is a testament of the professionalism of a group of people who aren't necessarily broadcasters for a living.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Jon posted:
And to add to my last post if people can't say something that's wrong today, it might be stopping others from saying what's right tomorrow.

Fair point. Hey, look everybody... civil discourse emerging from contrasting views!