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Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

I should say the producers do slim down the number of people who go to that deliberation day somewhat but they only get rid of the acts that genuinely just do not work on TV (they've already started editing the auditions by this point). That might sound unfair but with the show being made in a theatre there is a case of live performances working so well in front of a live audience and it just not translating well to a pre-recorded TV show.

One good example of this was one of David's Golden Buzzers from a few years ago being an older Irish duo doing a sort of scat version of Crazy in Love which was genuinely so electric when it was performed live in the theatre and it made total sense that he pressed it. But when that same audition was shown on TV it was awful , the entertainment of the performance was just completely lost on screen and viewers were totally baffled as to why he pressed the golden buzzer. I highly doubt the audition would have made the final cut and they wouldn't have come back for the deliberations were it not for the golden buzzer.

Everyone's made aware when they've made it through the judge's audition that there's an untelevised 'producer round' between the judges round and the deliberations but really that's only for the above reason and to take out a few acts that would simply be prohibitively expensive to do live in studio; the vast majority return of acts to the deliberations.

And as to your question it was a case of there being a few acts that the producers thought would have had a good show in the semis that ended up being eliminated. I expect there's a number like that eliminated every year.


Thanks. Makes total sense that they would eliminate some acts before the deliberations, I imagine that the judges might be influenced by the feel in the theatre on the day. Cowell has said to acts on the live shows a few times over the years that their audition didn't "pop" when he watched it back in the way it did live. I guess as well that the judges put so many acts through at the auditions (well over 100 normally I believe) so it would be an awful lot of sifting to get them down to 40.

I remember that golden buzzer of David's and you're right, it did seem an odd choice on screen and no one seemed especially impressed. Ant & Dec's golden buzzer last year (the Indian kid dancing) is another that comes to mind. I can imagine that generated quite a reaction in the theatre and he's done lots of other things online I believe, but it just fell completely flat on the edited show. You can often tell when a golden buzzer is considered to be less impressive as it tends to turn up earlier in an episode rather than being a big moment later in the show.

Yes I can imagine the producers lose a few every year they'd have liked to have gone through. There was an acrobatics/dance duo from China a few years ago who had an audition aired and mustn't have made it through for whatever reason as they were never seen again. Fast forward a couple of years and they turned up on BGT Champions, introduced as finalists from Asia's Got Talent (which they were), with no mention of their previous (aired) appearance on BGT at all.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

I noticed last night they didn't end the BGT auditions on the usual totally not fake at all 'deliberations' on who they (a.k.a Cowell and the producers) were putting through to the live shows,

I will just say that having worked on BGT the deliberations are actually genuine and are made on the day, much to my surprise. The exec producers were not happy with a number of their decisions but had to accept them because it is the judges' decision alone as per the rules.


Have to say I'm (pleasantly) surprised by that. I just assumed the producers would basically decide on the final 40, with some influence from the judges if they felt particularly strongly about anyone. If you don't mind me asking, was it a case of some producer favourites not making the cut?

I guess the advantage BGT has over Strictly is that it is just one week of shows, so there's the option to potentially quarantine some of the large group acts if they're up for it as it would only be for 3 weeks all in all. Compared to Strictly where it could be a case of the celebs having to live with their pro all Autumn,

It looks like they are planning for the America's Got Talent live shows to go ahead later in the Summer, so it'll be interesting to see what they do and there will be an opportunity to learn lessons for the British show.

Wonder if they will offer passes to next year's live shows for any acts unable to compete? Assume they'd have to for a golden buzzer but beyond that I'm less sure.

The Masked Singer must definitely be the most social distance friendly of these shows and the most likely to go ahead. The Voice might be alright too as its just soloists and mostly pre-recorded (the two live shows of this series are probably a bigger problem than recording auditions for next year).
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

Champions flew under the radar a bit. Or if they really wanted a US talent show then AGT Champions might have worked, with the Cowell connection and it having some UK acts on it.

I suspect if Netflix didn't have the rights it would have been the preferred choice.


BTW who airs the revived American Idol here, and has the US version of The Voice ever aired here?

BGT The Champions was awfully produced In places in my opinion; it was a show that nobody really wanted, and the prerecorded element with the lack of public vote just made it all seem like a non event deliberately created to meet contractual obligations with SYCO/Thames.

The pre-recorded element makes it easier to repeat and I thought most of the acts were brilliant. It should have aired live though so the public voted.


Whilst the regular version of AGT is on Netflix, Champions isn’t. The first series was on there for a while but has now gone and I’m pretty sure the second series never turned up on there, so I’m not sure who, if anyone, has the rights to that. So might have been an option.

I too thought most of the acts on BGT Champions were really good. The standard was very high and it looked great. It did lose something from being a pre-record though and the episodes were a bit long.

I think if they do another series at some point, and given the ratings were decent enough they probably will, it should be a live stripped week. What worked for the format in the US didn’t necessarily work here (the live shows are weekly on the regular show there too).
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Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

More likely ITV2 I'd have thought unless they really are desperate. I think ITV would have been better off rerunning last years BGT: The Champions rather than bringing in The Masked Singer USA.


Yes, a Champions rerun might have done alright. Can’t imagine it would have done any worse than Masked Singer USA will anyway. A couple of Summers ago they ran Little Big Shots USA in a similar slot and it failed to break a million. Masked Singer is obviously a bigger format but will be dragged down by a wider UK audience not recognising most of the celebrities and the ability to Google who they all are straight away.

Champions flew under the radar a bit. Or if they really wanted a US talent show then AGT Champions might have worked, with the Cowell connection and it having some UK acts on it.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

Yes, 26% a decent return and paid off giving it the BGT lead in (I'm guessing that moving to 7pm caught many people out).

Are ITV still planning a lockdown version of Family Fortunes - wonder if Alan is in the frame for that.


BGT still got a 40% share so yes I think the slot change caught people out, although given how it worked out in Epic’s favour ITV will probably think it was worthwhile.

Haven’t heard anything since about lockdown Family Fortunes so I’m guessing not, although it could be ripe for a revival in a studio this Autumn, they’ll have enough slots to fill!
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Alan Carr's Epic Gameshow

4.3m, did very well indeed for a sunny May night. Peaked at 4.7m.

Not like people have anywhere to be!

Well except in their gardens and parks like I was! I was expecting it to be much lower to be honest. BGT was down to 6m which suggests more people were out enjoying the sun.


Yep, audiences were really low last night, so 4.3m is a great result. It would have been good anyway but especially on a night last night.

Pointless Celebrities at the same time only got half that number, it was that sort of evening.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Coronavirus - Impact on live/recorded shows

Deal or No Deal could return on Channel 4 in a different guise.

Primetime. 5 episodes stripped across one week, just like Beat The Chasers. Speed it up and have rollover contestants and bring in a new host.

The idea they couldn’t afford it in primetime is ludicrous. Wasn’t the average giveaway something like £15k per game? A lot for daytime but perfectly affordable in peak.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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ITV Programming Thread

It's good for the overnights as doesn't it aggregate the audience?

Although overnights are seemingly now increasingly irrelevant.


No the late night repeats get a separate overnight and consolidated rating. Some of them have been timeshifting quite a bit actually. The Quiz press release said the first episode had over 1 million for the late night repeat, whereas the overnight was only about 300k.

On Beat The Chasers there wasn’t much difference though.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Who Wants to be a Millionaire?

It looks like as part of the scramble to find programmes to cover all the live events and dramas that have dropped out of the schedule, Clarkson's first series of Millionaire is getting a repeat run. First episode is scheduled for Tuesday 26th May at 8pm.

Presumably it will continue weekly so they might want to edit out the references to it being on every night as from what I remeber it was mentioned quite a lot.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

ITV Programming Thread

Considering they're openly talking about shows having no audiences at the end of the year you'd have to assume in that case the Royal Variety would likely be cancelled anyway, removing part of the prize for winning should the live shows go ahead.


They could have 2 winners slots next year if necessary I guess. A shame really they didn’t do that last year and give Twist & Pulse a slot as well for winning Champions.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

The Steph Show

Mo Gilligan is great but agree that the vast majority of Expectation’s comedy entertainment has been dire. The Rob Rinder Verdict didn’t work and the final episode with Stanley Johnson was gobsmackingly bad TV. The Big Narstie Show is crap and whilst I fortunately didn’t see The Alternative Election Night everything I’ve seen and heard since has been terrible.

I’m not sure how they keep getting these commissions away but I am increasingly getting the impression than Ian Katz doesn’t know what he is doing. Some of the commissioning and scheduling decisions have been baffling. Snoop Dogs? I mean WTF. That report a while back about him and Channel 4 was damning.

There’s an over-reliance on existing hits at C4 and I get it because they don’t have a primetime soap to pick up the slack but there’s a lack of new hits coming through and some strange decisions being made.
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Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

The Steph Show

Just a point on the show being in the wrong timeslot, which I agree with, it is worth noting that the viewers who are watching C4 around that time are actively tuning out as well. I've been following the ratings for it all week and it's interesting how on most days Come Dine With Me repeats before it get about 300/400k, then Steph comes on and immediately halves that audience, then Sun, Sea and Selling Houses starts at 1 and the audience builds again up to 300/400k. So it will be interesting to see when it is properly produced if this is a show that people will actually want to watch anyway. I expect they won't.


It’s just a terrible, indulgent piece of commissioning. I’ve no idea why they ever thought launching a derivative magazine show, in a schedule surrounded by repeats and starting halfway through This Morning was ever going to pay off. It’s just daft. I’m sure Steph is a perfectly good presenter but she’s not a star name who is going to bring viewers in. It’s not the sort of show Channel 4 are known for doing and nor does it fit with their schedule. The whole thing is an utterly pointless exercise.

I’m sure they’ll bring it back in the Autumn just to save face, when it will die on its arse once again because nobody is interested and anyone who wants that kind of show is already watching the long established ones on at the same time on ITV, and anyone who doesn’t is watching Bargain Hunt on BBC1. They’d be better off just scrapping the whole thing but they won’t because of the amount of egg they’d end up with on their faces.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Coronavirus - Impact on live/recorded shows

I believe there are:

10 x Celebrity Chase
10 x Tipping Point: Lucky Stars
5 x Celebrity Catchphrase

Still to air. Those are also shows that don’t really need the audience so could get back up and running relatively quickly if they need more. As is Millionaire which will have no episodes left once the upcoming stripped week is done.
Millionaire does need the audience, due to the Ask the Audience lifeline. Once that stripped week is done, the show is done until studio audiences can return.


Have 100 randomly selected people watching from home over a live stream during recording to provide the answers then. Or do it family fortunes style and ask the questions before recording starts.


Exactly. There are loads of ways around it. The recent US reboot didn’t have an audience as it was recorded in March.

Also an addition to the list I posted yesterday, there’s also a 6 part series of 5 Gold Rings in the can.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Coronavirus - Impact on live/recorded shows

Rolling In It was recorded in April 2019. So has been in the can a while. It's been scheduled for Q3 2020.

ITV have Alan Carr's gameshow & The Voice Kids but not sure if the latter finished recording. There might be some celeb Catchphrases & Celebrity Chase's still to air.

BBC One should have Holly & Bradleys show which was recording before lockdown. I guess the Little Mix singing show has been cancelled.


Yes Rolling in It has been scheduled for Q3 2020 for a while. Over a year on the shelf and what looks like a July launch doesn’t inspire confidence. I imagine it was always going to air as they’ve been looking for a sponsor but Pop Bitch might be referring to the long time on the shelf. Or that they filmed 6 episodes but only appear to be showing 5 based on the sponsorship page.

The semi final of The Voice Kids was recorded the same weekend as Ant & Dec’s last show with an audience so they just got that one over the line. Live final won’t be until late August/September so they should be able to make something work by then.

I believe there are:

10 x Celebrity Chase
10 x Tipping Point: Lucky Stars
5 x Celebrity Catchphrase

Still to air. Those are also shows that don’t really need the audience so could get back up and running relatively quickly if they need more. As is Millionaire which will have no episodes left once the upcoming stripped week is done. There’s also the 7 x 30’ series Britain’s Brightest Celebrity Family which was taped last August and is due in the Summer. Alan Carr’s Epic Gameshow was due alongside BGT but looks to now be taking over the slot once BGT is done.

Holly and Bradley just about got over the line but is only 4 episodes and a show based around people jetting off around the world might seem a bit tone deaf for a little while. Little Mix already recorded their auditions but it sounds like the whole thing has been delayed. My guess is that it’ll take The Greatest Dancer’s slot next January now that has been axed.
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Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Coronavirus - Impact on live/recorded shows

I thought they'd only got as far as one days filming before it was cancelled.


No, they got most of the auditions done. They only did one day without an audience though I believe before they shut down.

I think they ended up doing 9 or 10 out of the planned 13 audition days. They normally do 6 x 2 hour audition shows and probably have enough material to fill those, or 5 of them at least.

Heidi Klum fell ill partway through and they thought she had the virus but tested negative. Eric Stonestreet filled in for her for a couple of days and I think there was one day where they just had 3 judges so it’s going to be a nightmare to edit.

They normally film the Judge Cuts round in April before the live shows but obviously haven’t been able to do so. I’m not sure how they’ll proceed, the live shows don’t normally start until August, by which point there might be a way of doing them, but with no Judge Cuts they’ll run out of material at the start of July.

I’m a bit surprised they’ve chosen to launch in late May as planned. It seems unlikely NBC are going to be able to produce a new season of The Voice for September so I thought it would have made sense to delay AGT until September and put it in The Voice’s slot. By which point I imagine they’d be able to work something out for the rest of the season in November/December.

As for BGT, the live shows will be September at the earliest I imagine and probably later. I wonder if the larger acts will be quarantined for a fortnight before production in the studio? Could be a way around it but difficult and expensive.
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Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Britain's Got Talent 2020 - Unseen

Yes I’d assume the acts on Unseen won’t have made it to the live shows.

They only have 40 places in the live shows and have already put 17 acts through to the deliberations across the first 2 shows. If there are 8 audition shows like last year, unless the focus of the edit changes then there will be quite a few acts we see get through at the auditions who don’t make it to the live shows.

That’s probably a good thing, the deliberation round often can feel like a formality with almost every act we see get through at the auditions making the live shows, whereas if they keep showing ‘good’ acts at the rate they have in the first 2 shows then some recognisable acts will get cut at deliberations which will make them feel a bit more meaningful than they normally do.

They’ve definitely focused the edit on the good acts though. It’s gradually pivoted that way for a while now but it has been really noticeable so far this series. Not a bad thing necessarily, it suits the times we’re in and after recent events ITV and the producers might be particularly nervous about the humiliation side of things. Probably helps that they seem to have better talent this year. They could probably already fill a better final than last year with the acts we’ve seen so far.

Unseen is okay, it’s existence is proof that it was an editorial decision from ITV2 to scrap More Talent rather than it coming from the producers as was reported at the time. Extra Camp going backs that up too, it seems ITV2 just don’t want spin-offs of the main channel’s shows any more.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
Granada North West Today

Who Wants to be a Millionaire?

Was inevitable but gutting they've just gone to celeb specials so quickly.

To be fair it’s a celebrity special for what is (meant to be) a public holiday which is a long standing TV tradition. Not the same as throwing out celebrity episodes at random points in the year.


Plus I believe this celebrity special was filmed with the ones they aired over Christmas, along with the six civilian episodes in the can.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the civilian episodes are stripped across the week that was going to be BGT week at the end of May.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Coronavirus | Schedule Changes

Are we sure they didn't air the first episode of the previous season instead of a new one then? That started airing in 2017, so the copyright date and endcap would be correct.


ITV Hub says it was Series 30 - Episode 10. Although later episodes of Series 30 have aired, I can't find any record of Ep10 airing previously.


There’s probably a whole bunch of Series 30 that still haven’t aired yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if ITV have quite a backlog of YBF episodes, seeing as they hardly air it these days and yet it still seems to be in production. So I expect they’ll use these Tuesday/Thursday slots to work through their stock.

Looks like Thursday’s episode is actually from Series 29 according to Radio Times, yet once again the show’s Twitter account is billing it as a new episode, so it probably hasn’t aired yet.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Saturday Night Takeaway 2020

I wasn't sure I'd ever see Takeaway do anything more surreal than when Dec presented it on his own, but there we go. It was a great episode, seemed like a proper team spirit with the crew. With limited resources why not chase Bradley Walsh around the studio seating! Laughing


I did enjoy it, some great stuff in there, but I'm looking forward to next year when we can get a full, uninterrupted series of Takeaway for the first time since 2017.


Yes, between one thing and another they’ve had some very bad luck to not be able to air a full series for three years in a row. Just when things seemed back to normal the virus came along! They’ve coped admirably though, last week’s show was brilliant given the circumstances.
Score60 posts since 22 Dec 2019
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Stars In Their Eyes is Back (Again)


So what did they do in the finals of the first three series then...

Something they dropped for the remainder.


Do have to wonder now if ITV can even get this in the can on time given we're potentially looking at months of disruption. I guess casting can be done online at all stages, but what was already a tricky task of filing hours with new content in the autumn for ITV seems seemingly impossible now.

Although bear in mind that if The X Factor was still airing this year, that would be disrupted as well, as they wouldn’t be doing the auditions.


X Factor might have been able to do the room auditions. Bootcamp has happened with no audience multiple times too so X Factor might have been able to push ahead OK.
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