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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

I'm also pretty sure Sky used to do beauty shots of their old studios, especially when the 2005 relaunch happened. You had Kay walking up and down the stairs and wide pans and spinning desks while Eammon walked perilously towards it . On one hand, you have complaints that the glass box is dull, and then that the wide pan shots of the office/studio is gratuitous and self indulgent. And loads of broadcasters use a similar kind of shot, unfortunately that isn't a unique selling point for Sky News.

I'd go on record as saying that I actually find the old studio both at Osterley and Millbank to be quite distracting visually - too many bright colours, and also people do walk around there too, plus you have screens displaying various stuff. If anything, and I'm not advocating it, the glass box gives less room to hide for presenters and content.


I don't like vanity shots at all of any kind, I didn't like them in 2005, 2010 or with the glass box, and I didn't like the 2005 era either, I have said this on many posts. I thought from about 2010-2015 Sky News was spot on, and very good and had a good balance of what a News Channel should be about, it won a lot of awards during this time and did some genuinely ground-breaking coverage, backed up with a studio that was able to meet the needs and an excellent presenting team, if perhaps with two or three more presenters than it needed.

The trouble with the glass box is that it's trying to look flashy over content. Around the same time the glass box was brought in far too many good presenters were allowed to go (there was scope for some to go certainly, but not as many as did) and the sound quality is drastically worse. If they simply had the glass box and it had good sound and they still had an adequate presenter portfolio I'd be far less critical.

But they has essentially sacrificed staff numbers across many departments and not just presenters but also specialist reporters and general reporters and replaced them with talent, whilst promising, is being over-promoted before they are ready in a studio which has poorer sound and isn't cut out for certain types of program that is coming from it right now.

Often I flick on the news at six o'clock or five if it's a Friday where I sometimes finish early (rare) and if Kay Burley is not on all I often see appears to be essentially the old News, Sport Weather format for half an hour with the occasional interview that the presenter struggles through in an echo chamber and a boring monotone delivery that just makes me want to change the channel.

Essentially side from Sunrise, Sky News Tonight, and 9pm-12pm all of the other shifts can have anyone anchoring them on their own regardless of their suitability for the role. and the likes of Kimberley, Sam Naz etc frequently look out of their depth doing interviews and breaking news. Gamal and NIall are certainly two who I would say are accomplished enough to present alone over a number of shifts, but the rest are strictly "2nd in a two" overnight or weekend presenters at this point.

If you looked at Sky News a few years ago you'd never see people on key shifts stuttering and struggling their way through interviewsat 3pm and 5pm on a weekday, but now it's happening and it's far better to turn over to the other channels who have decided that studio investment should not be at the expense of the basics. Unfortunately Sky appear to have decided that a trophy is more important than the basics lately.
Last edited by IrelandIsle on 25 February 2017 2:19pm
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Just because they publicly complain, doesn't mean they are either happy or unhappy.

Else there would be no such thing as polls.
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Sky News: Presenters & Rotas

And that is exactly the kind of way to blood young talent and how Sky should be doing it.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Also, let's be perfectly candid. The subtext of any Sky News pres-related gripes here is essentially: "The 2005 look had lots of brassy music, whooshing bumpers and multiple presenters on any one shift doing rather a lot of walking around, so can we have it back, please?"

And you know what? As an unabashed pres-nerd, I loved it, too! But with the tenure of John Ryley came the entirely-correct view that "content is king", and in a commercial environment, operating with that view in mind is a necessity.


That's certainly not my view and I don't think a few people on here are asking it to go back to 2005, which as you say was too brassy with wooshing bumpers and over the top graphics and sound. I completely agree with Ryley's strategy until 2015, but since 2015 there has been a gradual dumbing down of the channel in many respects.

Content was king until 2015 and an excellent channel Sky News was. However in the last 9 months we have basically seen Sky News going around trying to show off their office building at any chance, many great presenters leave, inadequate replacements and people being put in their place,

I really like Millbank and the old Sky News centre in Osterley? Why. Because I know, when news comes from there there will be no vanity shots going into breaks, nobody trying to show off how great their office is and no distractions in the background of people walking and moving, and it looks and feels like a news studio. The glass box is an office first and a Studio second. It's ironic you say that people prefer the 2005 look which was too much glam over practicality, since that is precisely what the glass box is.

I don't want Sky News of 2005 back, I want Sky News of 2014-2015 back when it was a First Class news channel with strong presenter line-up, much better coverage of business news, no gimmicky shots around the studio, much better sound and an environment that just screamed professional news channel, whereas now in the glass box it feels pretty much like a studio bolted on an office as an afterthought to make Sky look good.

And on the presenters. Nobody is saying that Sky shouldn't be bringing in young talent through and they were certainly not doing that much in the past. But there are ways and means of doing this. The second presenter in a duo, overnight, weekend daytimes etc are excellent times to do this to gain them experience and to develop themselves. However at the moment they need another one or two relief presenters because quite simply a lot of them are not in the stage of their career where they can anchor a major show and conduct major interviews on their own.

The difference on Kay Burley's slot when she is there and not is massive. In your prime time daytime slot, on what other channel do you see someone as experienced as Key replaced with someone as inexperienced as Kimberley who is a poor interviewer? Of course you draft someone in as relief, but when a major anchor is not on, the gap between them and their replacements is massive. I don't expect Kimberley to be on Kay's level, that would be silly, but despite your assertions that Ryley is a content over style man still, from my view in the last nine months he's abandoned that and become all about vanity and the glass box and showing it off at the expense of quality of the presenting team.

Sky News would be a better channel now if they didn't build the Glass Box and instead spent the money on keeping say Samantha and Lorna, two very versatile presenters who would provide good cover for the key bulletins whilst also giving the youth a chance still on the weekends/overnights/secondary presenter role.

I'm not against the glass box in total, but for me, if I had to choose between the box and the quality of presenters I'd choose presenters every time, since i believe that the basics are indeed more important than showing off, just like Ryley used to.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Does Sky News even have an identity of it's own anymore? Over the last year or two gradually it loses any identity it had.

Are they going to house the press preview there now too, around a desk?
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Time is ticking away until we find out Smile

It's bound to leak though isn't it before it happens?
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Sky News: Presenters & Rotas

I think saying she's abysmal is a little harsh - she's just another one of a number of people who have been promoted to roles which they are not suitable for or promoted to before they are ready for.

Overnights, news-reading, auto-cue stuff she is fine, but as an interviewer and a lead presenter on main bulletins sorry she is just not for me, it just doesn't feel right for a channel like Sky News.

The big difference between now and 12-18 months ago is that the gap in standard between the main presenters and a lot of the cover presenters is very noticeable and as big as it's ever been.

I also admire the fact that Sky are trying to bring through new talent and there clearly is some as Gamal and Niall have shown over the last year or two who I think are more than capable of holding their own.

The problem is that a lot of the other cover is extremely limited, lacks any kind of charisma or personality and just appears to be very robotic and with forced delivery, uncomfortable at interviews and there have been several times in the last 12 months where people have looked like rabbits in headlights which I never saw before.
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Sky News: Presenters & Rotas

The more Sky News I watch, the more it's obvious they are at least a couple of presenters light, a lot of the cover presenters in my view just simply are not suited to anything more than reading from the auto-cue or overnight news or a second presenter in a duo.

Niall and Gamal are pretty decent but honestly the rest are not up to the job. Watching Kimberley just do two interviews honestly she was very poor and boring, I've never seen her outside World News or a second presenter in a two and honestly I can see why.

It's been cut back too much, the front line presenters are still excellent, but a lot of the slots with the back-up presenters just seem dull dull dull.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

To me it looks like the old studio is shooting in 480p SD only that is being upscaled.


Regardless of what's going on, I can say with certainty it's not working in 480p.


It's certainly not working in full 1080p at the standard it used to be either for a number of months now There is such a huge difference between that studio and the other studios that there has to be something different since previously they all had good picture quality.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

It was better after the break, at least on the close up shot of Gillian.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

Gillian hands over from a blurry studio to a razor sharp Sky Sports News Bulletin, really shows up the poor PQ at the Sky News Centre.
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Sky News presentation - New studio onwards

I have just watched Sky News HD stream and SD stream side by side on two screens.

Graphics aside the studio based coverage I cannot tell the difference between either version even on a 48 inch TV. However the coming up sequence and the outside broadcasts and video footage the difference is very noticeable and clearly is far superior on the HD channel.

To me it looks like the old studio is shooting in 480p SD only that is being upscaled.