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Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

deejay posted:
It is certainly the case that the newer English Regions (South East, Oxford etc) cannot opt at all on BBC2 - remember all the hoo-har during Wimbledon when the moved the 6.30 opt to BBC2... However, I don't know if it is the case that regions which have recently moved to new buildings (North (Leeds), East and W Midlands) can still opt on 2.


South East can on BBC2 as that's a proper region (and launched while there were still BBC2 Opt-outs).... but its a bit messy. It's the sub regions that can't (Oxford, Channel Islands, Cambridge etc).

I'm pretty sure that they would have included it in the new buildings - in fact I think in some cases the equipment involved was taken with them when they moved buildings. Wasn't Norwich in their new building last Wimbledon?
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

Alex posted:
I think part of the problem is that any significant news in London is likely to make the national news and there is an understandable reluctance to carry basically the same stories twice in an hour..


That's not true, there are loads of stories that are London stories that aren't reported by the national news. There are also things that happen in London that aren't relevant to the London audience.
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

Isonstine posted:
I don't mind the programme "backing the bid" in fact I think it's a very good idea and nice to have a real big backer,



But what does it do for balance? How can they do any objective reporting about the Olympic bid when they have a large banner across the top of their studio saying 'Back The Bid'?

It is quite difficult to balance stories about London 2012 as it is - there are actually very few London organisations that oppose the bid, although the same can't be said about public opinion - and you can only do so many Vox pops!
I really fail to see how London Today/Tonight could provide anything but a pro-London 2012 bias

You certainly coudn't get away with that at the BBC.....althoguh it remains to be seen if ITV can.
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Thread

There is a significant 'bedding in' stage with all new operations. It takes a year or so to get to grips with all the quirks of a new system and tweak the settigns so that it's correct.

In that time there will be the odd programme that's completely disasterous.... but that's life and the lessons learnt from all the problems tonight will go towards fixing things for next time
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

These regional RTS awards are very odd affairs. They're just one BBC programme vs one ITV programme and one award for an indie. The awards are just split down the middle, half each. Seems a bit of a farce really

What would be more interesting and valid would be a national regional awards; i.e. all the english regional programmes up for the same 10 or so awards.

No idea how London Tonight won best programme again. The programme was pretty dire (compared with what it was in it's heyday) before the relaunch. it's now dire, but it still wins
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

It does of course depend on what happens in the 'home counties' - as someone who knows Surrey quite well I know that not a lot of any great significance ever happens there!

There are stories from outside London on London News, bu the majority are those taken from the neighbouring regions, which leads to the strange thing of covering London and the regional overlap areas.... but nowhere in between.

Guildford has always been badly covered by TV - except for the 2 or so years that Thames had a news bureau there. Probably because it's well and truely in the patch of the London TV stations (the Guildford relay carries London and there's hills between them and recieving South regional TV) but is quite a trek from their bases. It's also only a fairly recent recipient of a BBC radio station.
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

noggin posted:

You never get a plug for Radio Berkshire, Radio Oxfordshire, BBC Southern Counties, BBC 3CR, BBC Essex on BBC London's TV output... But then you never get much TV news for non-Greater London areas either...


Hertfordshire, Essex and Kent get covered more than Berkshire, Surrey and Sussex.
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

noggin posted:
Not the fault of the people involved - more of the general move to newsgathering using PDP techniques (never mind the quality, look how cheap it is) Desktop editing is OK for basic OOVs and short clips, but the sound editing tools in use in many desktop editing systems (and the audio monitoring used) often means that cut-downs etc. done at the desktop look and sound awful.


Yep I agree and even with good editting and sound it is very easy to spot these items because of the quality of the video is far worse from those cameras and tape format
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

noggin posted:

BBC London appeared - and finally they were able to compete on a level playing field region-wise. However although BBC London was pretty poor technically in comparison to London Tonight


Although the boot was on the other foot when London Tonight moved to a new building. BBC London weren't that good technically when they first moved but at least they never crashed off air and broadcast a VT clock for 5 minutes!
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

ITV London Tonight

Isonstine posted:
Great stuff! Choice tonight between London Tonight or BBC Swimming Pool news.

LDN have so far covered the olympics (already covered ad nauseum on national bulletins) and Children in Need in their first 15 minutes.

Grrr.


It was a special programme though, not a normal edition. It is rare for the same story to appear on both the BBC local and national news (the local newsrooms have access to the national's run orders and vice versa) except on the occasions where it's a big story and the local programme can provide a diffrent angle, which it did tonight I thought
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

tvmercia posted:
thats just lovely isn't it - bbc one mids have rejoined network at 1.35 for horizon - completely missing out see hear. i wouldn't have thought that would have gone down well with the deaf viewers Shocked


As I said they normally drop a programme the same length as the first programme to get the region back onto the national schedule as soon as possible no point employing someone at the Mailbox to stay till 4am.
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

fanoftv posted:
So how's this all working? Have they got all of the programmes cued and ready to play out trailers and all from the Mailbox, or are they putting out the gospel awards and then London will take over playing a separate feed for the midlands?


No, the Mailbox will opt out for the whole lot. Normally seperate copies of the programmes are sent up on tape in advance, although it would be possible to send them up a line in advance or at a push record the programmes off air and play back them back later.

When London and the South did a similar thing back in the spring the trails, idents and Weatherview were all recorded onto server off-air from network BBC1 and played out half an hour later.

Someone's in for a long night, they normally drop a programme the same length as the first programme to get the region back onto the national schedule as soon as possible. None of the programmes are the right length tonight
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Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

noggin posted:
Surely even if they weren't coming via the Mailbox they'd be in 16:9 on DTT as the feed to DTT/Satelite would be the same as the one for the East Midlands?


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Nope - if they were coming from Nottingham but being routed via Pebble Mill's news gallery (which was still 4:3 analogue) they would go out as 14:9 on DTT. (Satellite could be re-routed in London though)


I meant the easts output going direct to the west transmitters without any gallery or building in between - Pebble Mill and Mailbox both being bypassed completely
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 25 October 2004 7:19pm
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

noggin posted:

Whether Nottingham have control of the Birmingham Mailbox distribution, or the Mailbox are opting in to Nottingham I don't know. However I suspect the East Midlands sourced bulletins are coming via the Mailbox - are they appearing in 16:9 in the West on DTT?


Surely even if they weren't coming via the Mailbox they'd be in 16:9 on DTT as the feed to DTT/Satelite would be the same as the one for the East Midlands?
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

Steve in Pudsey posted:
where does Friday's 16:9 trailer mentioned earlier come into play? Could Pebble Mill have been taken out of circuit already and MT routed via Nottingham for the weekend or something?


No idea about the trailer.

I wouldn't have thought that anything is routed via Nottingham at all - all they would have done is plug up the output of Nottingham into Birminghams transmitters all weekend. They aren't just opting out the West Midlands at news time it's coming via Nottingham 24 hours a day.

I expect that sometime on Monday morning they'll unplug Nottinghams output and connect it the transmitters to the Mailbox.
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

Philip Cobbold posted:
Could today's program have been prerecorded, and then played out by the Mailbox, with people in the East Midlands getting their normal program.


No, because the Mailbox can't broadcast anything yet, if it could play out a tape to air it could do a live programme.

At a push they could have played out a recording of a bulletin for the west from Nottingham at the same time as they broadcast a normal east mids programme. But technically it would have been difficult in the absense of a regional centre in Birmingham and probably not worth it for weekend bulletins
Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

tvmercia posted:

i'd imagine theres a permanent line between the mill and london road - what with the politics show, the days when midlands report came from bham - the old pre 90s pan regional midlands today, midlands at westminster and MT and EMT using each other as backups if either cant put out a bulletin.


There is a line between the 2, just like there are between every BBC centre.

As for how it got to air, I expect that both Pebble Mill and the Mailbox are currently incapable of opting out as the equipment and lines are being transferred over - this has been the case for the other moves. I expect that the output of Nottingham has just been connected up to the Birmingham transmitter distribution. They're just letting Nottingham get on with it without any need for anyone in Brum needing to interrupt the move to deal with it.

At least you've got a preview of the new opening titles (albeit the predictable bit!)
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Inspector Sands13,977 posts since 25 Aug 2004

The NEW Central West and BBC Midlands thread

Spencer For Hire posted:
Weather Man posted:
I think they should have a DVD made of Pebble Mill & it's history, like the BBC News At 50 years. I would get it!!

Just what I was thinking... although I imagine if they were going to produce one it'd have been out by now.


Yes, it would have been the thing to produce when they made the documentary earlier in the year.

Besides now they've moved it's time to look forward rather than back