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Doctor Who - Discussions on Season 5 onwards

Early 1990s Doctor Who novels expanded on that idea a bit.

I think the gist of it is something like...

A character know only as "The Other" was one of 3 Gallifreyans involved in giving Gallifreyans the power of time-travel (hence the race being renamed as "Time Lords") - the other two characters being Omega and Rassilon, IIRC.

At some point in Gallifreyan/Time Lord evolution, they must cease reproducing in the same way that humans do, for some reason, as something called "the Lungbarrow" comes along.

All Time Lords since then are "spun" from the "loom"-like Lungbarrow (obviously, it's spinning DNA and stuff, not wool!). Thus meaning that all Time Lords are "cousins" to each other.

Eventually, a Time Lord who is effectively a "reincarnation" of The Other (i.e. he's made up of nigh-on 100% of The Other's DNA, or something) gets spun into existence. This is who The Doctor is.

Susan "Foreman" is actually The Other's granddaughter, as the Doctor was "born" of Lungbarrow, and therefore can only possibly have "cousins". I think that Susan is also a member of the very final generation of Gallifreyans/Time Lords to be "born" is the traditional (pre-Lungbarrow) sense.

But, being as The Doctor is effectively "the same person" as The Other, and somehow Susan and he came to know this, they formed a grandfater/granddaughter bond anyway.

Or something like that.

I'll stand-by to be corrected...

And it all depend whether you count such novels as "canon" or not.

By main point was to show that what Sylvester McCoy-era script editor Andrew Cartmel started, has been taken further in books, despite not getting very far by the time the original TV series was dropped in 1989.

Doctor Who - Discussions on Season 5 onwards

Early 1990s Doctor Who novels expanded on that idea a bit.

I think the gist of it is something like...

A character know only as "The Other" was one of 3 Gallifreyans involved in giving Gallifreyans the power of time-travel (hence the race being renamed as "Time Lords") - the other two characters being Omega and Rassilon, IIRC.

At some point in Gallifreyan/Time Lord evolution, they must cease reproducing in the same way that humans do, for some reason, as something called "the Lungbarrow" comes along.

All Time Lords since then are "spun" from the "loom"-like Lungbarrow (obviously, it's spinning DNA and stuff, not wool!). Thus meaning that all Time Lords are "cousins" to each other.

Eventually, a Time Lord who is effectively a "reincarnation" of The Other (i.e. he's made up of nigh-on 100% of The Other's DNA, or something) gets spun into existence. This is who The Doctor is.

Susan "Foreman" is actually The Other's granddaughter, as the Doctor was "born" of Lungbarrow, and therefore can only possibly have "cousins". I think that Susan is also a member of the very final generation of Gallifreyans/Time Lords to be "born" is the traditional (pre-Lungbarrow) sense.

But, being as The Doctor is effectively "the same person" as The Other, and somehow Susan and he came to know this, they formed a grandfater/granddaughter bond anyway.

Or something like that.

I'll stand-by to be corrected...

And it all depend whether you count such novels as "canon" or not.

By main point was to show that what Sylvester McCoy-era script editor Andrew Cartmel started, has been taken further in books, despite not getting very far by the time the original TV series was dropped in 1989.

BBC News: Nations & Regions

Sorry if this has been mentioned. I've just watched a bit of last night's South Today online, and it was presented from a CSO recreation of N6! (Presenter standing up, single locked-off camera shot).

I assume that they're in CSO for the week, whilst a new set is installed in their usual studio (?). I bloody hope so. The current set is a right mish-mash of stuff from the past 9 years' worth of different generic looks.

Given that the temporary CSO set is an N6-clone, I wonder that the new real set will be an N6-clone too, a la Reporting Scotland?

Just watched a bit of last night's BBC Oxford News online too, who were in their mini-replica of the current Southampton set, as usual.

If Southampton are indeed changing their set this week, I hope that Oxford revamp likewise over the Bank Holiday weekend, so we don't end up with the same sort of "different eras" mismatch that Norwich and Cambridge currently have ( ).

Weirdly the pre-recorded Southampton headline insert during the headline sequence of BBC Oxford News, had the Southampton presenter sitting in the usual current set.

Presumably this was recorded between 1730-1800, and was the last thing ever to be presented from the out-going Southampton set.

BBC News: Nations & Regions

Sorry if this has been mentioned. I've just watched a bit of last night's South Today online, and it was presented from a CSO recreation of N6! (Presenter standing up, single locked-off camera shot).

I assume that they're in CSO for the week, whilst a new set is installed in their usual studio (?). I bloody hope so. The current set is a right mish-mash of stuff from the past 9 years' worth of different generic looks.

Given that the temporary CSO set is an N6-clone, I wonder that the new real set will be an N6-clone too, a la Reporting Scotland?

Just watched a bit of last night's BBC Oxford News online too, who were in their mini-replica of the current Southampton set, as usual.

If Southampton are indeed changing their set this week, I hope that Oxford revamp likewise over the Bank Holiday weekend, so we don't end up with the same sort of "different eras" mismatch that Norwich and Cambridge currently have ( ).

Weirdly the pre-recorded Southampton headline insert during the headline sequence of BBC Oxford News, had the Southampton presenter sitting in the usual current set.

Presumably this was recorded between 1730-1800, and was the last thing ever to be presented from the out-going Southampton set.

Look North: North East and Cumbria

What's that?

Look North: North East and Cumbria

I would think that their last image has to at least be from the "focal" town/city of the region* (which is generally the same place as where the studios are). Whether the image is the "most iconic" thing in either that town/city or the region as a whole, is debatable.

(* Presumably not necessarily so in the case of Look East's wind turbines(?), which seems a very odd choice of end image)

For example, Midlands Today's endcap shows Birmingham Town Hall, which is a white-ish building with that sort of pseudo-Roman look with columns etc. This looks exactly like many other Town Halls that I can think of, so isn't particularly distinctive. Other Birmingham views, such as the Selfridges/Bull Ring/St Martin's Church area are more iconic.

Arguably, despite Birmingham being the most major settlement in the West Midlands Region, a landmark such as the Ironbridge in Shropshire is a more iconic symbol than anything in Birmingham.

I'm not sure the South of England region has one single "focal" town/city, but it's perhaps more of a contest between Southampton and Portsmouth (?). But Southampton presumably doesn't have any landmark that can quite compete with the Spinnaker (sp?) Tower for "iconic-ness"?

ITV Regions a comeback?

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Doctor Who - Discussions on Season 5 onwards

If you've not seen last night's episode yet, don't read my post, as it'll spoil it

Aah, so she wasn't the Doctor's "daughter" in the normal sense of the word, but a "clone" of sorts, grown instantly from a tissue sample of the Doctor. Interesting.

Now that I think about it...

Ever since 2005, we've been told that the entire Time Lord race died in the Time War, with probably only a negligable number of exceptions (only the Doctor and the resurrected-Master survived, as far as we know at the mo). It would have rather further eroded that idea, if any genuine offspring of the Doctor were still alive somewhere.

So, it was probably rather stupid and naive of me to take the title "The Doctor's Daughter" too literally. I should have realised by now that the programme tends to always be a bit more backhanded, than to say something so straightforward in a story title.

Interesting that she survived being shot, Captain Jack-style, but didn't actually regenerate (given the unnatural origins of her very existence, it's debatable exactly what Time Lord traits she would be able to have, beyond the only confirmed-on-screen fact that she has 2 hearts). I didn't understand how Martha could be so sure that "Jenny" wouldn't have the ability to regenerate?

The ending was very "not another potential spin-off series, please?", wasn't it? Or maybe even a potential way of carrying on if/when the actor to play the 13th Doctor decides to quit...

Nice emotional drama, the fact that having this new "daughter" around made the Doctor sad for the genuine descendants (which would include Susan) that have been lost.

Given that it turned out that the Daleks weren't even remotely "wiped out" by the Time War, but were rather just "hidden" I seriously doubt that the Time Lords really perished either. This "Shadow Proclomation" stuff that seems to be building could be something to do with the Time Lords, who are similarly "hidden" somewhere? As in "hiding in shadows " or something. Just a thought.

We'll see.

Doctor Who - Discussions on Season 5 onwards

If you've not seen last night's episode yet, don't read my post, as it'll spoil it

Aah, so she wasn't the Doctor's "daughter" in the normal sense of the word, but a "clone" of sorts, grown instantly from a tissue sample of the Doctor. Interesting.

Now that I think about it...

Ever since 2005, we've been told that the entire Time Lord race died in the Time War, with probably only a negligable number of exceptions (only the Doctor and the resurrected-Master survived, as far as we know at the mo). It would have rather further eroded that idea, if any genuine offspring of the Doctor were still alive somewhere.

So, it was probably rather stupid and naive of me to take the title "The Doctor's Daughter" too literally. I should have realised by now that the programme tends to always be a bit more backhanded, than to say something so straightforward in a story title.

Interesting that she survived being shot, Captain Jack-style, but didn't actually regenerate (given the unnatural origins of her very existence, it's debatable exactly what Time Lord traits she would be able to have, beyond the only confirmed-on-screen fact that she has 2 hearts). I didn't understand how Martha could be so sure that "Jenny" wouldn't have the ability to regenerate?

The ending was very "not another potential spin-off series, please?", wasn't it? Or maybe even a potential way of carrying on if/when the actor to play the 13th Doctor decides to quit...

Nice emotional drama, the fact that having this new "daughter" around made the Doctor sad for the genuine descendants (which would include Susan) that have been lost.

Given that it turned out that the Daleks weren't even remotely "wiped out" by the Time War, but were rather just "hidden" I seriously doubt that the Time Lords really perished either. This "Shadow Proclomation" stuff that seems to be building could be something to do with the Time Lords, who are similarly "hidden" somewhere? As in "hiding in shadows " or something. Just a thought.

We'll see.

BBC News: Nations & Regions

Is that an un-made Ben Elton sitcom, set in a fire station?!

<gets coat>

BBC News: Nations & Regions

Is that an un-made Ben Elton sitcom, set in a fire station?!

<gets coat>

The Gladiators Thread

- and I'll second that endorsment.

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