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Brekkie30,684 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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20th years since NAT was first dumped

Back in 2002, Channel 5 was truly appalling at what they offered, for example on Friday 1st March 2002, 17 years a go their Friday night line up was as follows:

6.30pm - Family Affairs
7.00pm - World of Wildlife
7.30pm - 5 News
8.00pm - Gladiators of World War 2
9.00pm - Film: Hostile Intent
10.50pm - Film: The Glass Cage

Pure dire line up to try to "compete" with BBC and ITV in my opinion.

Not much better 17 years later on Friday 1st March 2019:


7.00pm Sacred Ireland: Holy Land
8.00pm Secret Scotland
9.00pm Meghan & The Markles: A Family at War
10.00pm Most Shocking Celebrity Moments

C5 is the channel where an 11pm bulletin could have worked. In it's early days I do think they should have used the 10.50-11.00pm slot that followed most of their films for 5 News rather than Exclusive Extra!

And we're not so off topic there - no doubt about it most of the changes in news in 1999 were heavily influenced by the perceived success of the 5 News approach - so a shorter pacier bulletin at 11pm with a younger host wasn't such a bad idea.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Brekkie30,684 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today

20th years since NAT was first dumped

The post-10pm TV market now is very different to what it was in 1999. Indeed on the main channels it pretty much doesn't exist, yet in 1999 you had C4 very strong at 10pm, where most their dramas played out, C5 had just launched with uninterupted 9pm movies being a key selling point, and BBC1 still had their news at 9pm so had drama and comedy at 9.30pm, and usually something after too. Back then 11pm for a late night news bulletin made a lot of sense, as did freeing up the 10pm hour on ITV. In practice though it just didn't work.

Today is very different but IMO it's more about the content around at 10pm rather than what time the news is on. C4 now has run of the mill documentaries, C5 is on benefits, the digital channels aren't as active at 10pm as they once were and BBC1 has the news. Therefore unless you're watching ITV there isn't much to hold you around until 11pm.
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Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Brekkie30,684 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today

Red Nose Day

Even Alan Partridge raised just a wry smile rather than belly laughs. It was the same with the Mamma Mia and Four Weddings sketches - they both took themselves way to seriously.

Maybe in this age of social media they're a bit more conscious of the sometimes awkward juxtaposition between the comedy and the appeals, but isn't that the point of it?

Talking of the films I'm glad they didn't take to much notice of the "white saviour" criticism and as always with the African films it was pointed out that the locals on the ground do the work, but noteworthy the three main films of the night were done by Strictly stars rather than comedians.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Brekkie30,684 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today

Red Nose Day

It is only really small changes that are needed - a handful of live on stage sets, a couple of live moments rather than pre-recorded films and some sketches that hit the mark more.

The telethon though is always going to be hit or miss but ultimately does its job. I think the bigger issue for Comic Relief over the next couple of years will be addressing the concerns about its merchandise and how the red nose can develop alongside the campaigns against disposable plastic merchandise.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
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Brekkie30,684 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today

The Sport Thread

And going back a bit earlier they seemed to use a new credits format. I think we've seen black text on a white graphic on the right of the screen before, but this time on a roller with an animated background and a BBC logo. Must say it was nowhere near as effective as the credit sequences we've become used to from BBC Sport.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
Brekkie30,684 posts since 4 Jan 2003
HTV Wales Wales Today

BBC News at 10 to be shorter

Whether we're bored of it or not it's been one of the most important political weeks in recent years and the impact is way beyond politics. The issue is that the Meaningful Vote has become the Meaningless Vote by the PM just bringing it back time and time again and it will be groundhog day again, possibly on Tuesday again I presume.


Back to the topic and the extensions this week just highlight what we said at the time - ridiculous to shorten the Ten just a month out from Brexit - holding out another month wouldn't have harmed at all.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
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