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roxuk posted:
Quite surprised to read people here talking about a possible media blackout.

It's ignoring the work of the Guardian and may reporters on twitter, and the live coverage on the radio.

First they can't fly the helicopters at night, only the police helicopter flys over london at night, so there's the quickest way of covering a fast moving situation like this gone.

Second it's the middle of the night, even with the second night there still aren't as many journalists working as there would be during the day.

Do you want them to broadcast every rumour on twitter with out checking and verifying it? For all the true accounts theres lots of rumours and exaggerations. Then there's getting the crew to the scene and setting up safely..


Indeed, the Guardian's coverage - and Paul Lewis in particular - through Twitter and its own website has been exemplary. It's an impressive testament to the way that newspapers have adapted to shift from generating content for only one print edition a day, to a model of creating continuously updated digital content in addition to the print edition. The news channels could learn a few lessons from this. BBC News, Sky News and others make a lot of noise about social media, but when it comes down to it, they often rely most heavily on the tradition of 'correspondent + camera', and seem to flounder if they're not able to provide that.

When a camera can't be deployed, the newsroom operations need to be flexible enough to shift to the resources that are available - whether that's correspondents on the ground giving voice or videocall reports, reporting on tweets from reliable sources (even if those sources aren't BBC reporters), reporting information from sources which aren't Reuters or AP newswires (The Guardian confirmed almost an hour ago that there's looting and violence in Lewisham - this still hasn't been mentioned at all on the BBC News Channel, and it was only mentioned by BBC London 94.9 around a half hour after The Guardian and others were putting that information out).

It's not good enough when coverage of a major story falls apart purely because you don't have live footage from a camera on the ground or a helicopter in the air. You don't have to read every single tweet from anyone with an opinion and try to corroborate each and every tweet; that's notion is either disingenuous or just plain stupid. There are plenty of reliable sources on Twitter and elsewhere to sustain continued coverage.

Also, to those who were suggesting last night that coverage should be limited to avoid encouraging copycat activity - just as I pointed out last night, those with a thirst for this kind of violence and looting were not sitting at home tuned to news channels waiting for just the right imagery to incite their criminality; it's becoming very clear that the spread of these activities was planned and communicated via Twitter, texts and calls, and it also seems that BBM (BlackBerry Messenger) did indeed play a very big part in it too.

Evidently, the failings in BBC television coverage have been down to an inflexilibity or unavailability of newsroom resources (rather than any sort of mandated blackout), and that may come down to a similar inflexibility in schedule obligations (such as the overnight simulcasts) or in editorial guidelines (where the means to deliver news in a developing situation may be too restrictive to fully take advantage of all of the available resources). There needs to be flexibility in a major breaking news situation to break the rigid limitations of the schedule and to make better use of non-broadcast sources to sustain coverage of a story as it's developing. The last couple of nights - where the status quo seems to have been "we don't have a camera on the ground, so it might as well not be happening" - have been very poor indeed.

The News Channel has just broken away from the Six to bring live aerial footage; this isn't all that unusual, and evidently some level of flexibility does exist in the daytime schedule - but it's not good enough to provide a more limited, second-rate service overnight, especially when the circumstances demand more comprehensive coverage.
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Media blackout anyone?


Was just thinking that myself, seems to be no live reports at all coming from Sky or BBC, Journo's on Twitter have gotten awfully quiet as well.


Not quite - the first live coverage for some time finally emerged at midnight. Sky News had their correspondent live on camera in Enfield town centre from the TOTH; from 0010 to 0015 on BBC News, there was a live phone interview with local Enfield community figure Ben Maloney, who had witnessed some of the clashes in the area, and clarified that the situation appeared to be far from over. BBC News also used some of the photos that Maloney had tweeted.
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RenII posted:
And one other question: At what point does the viewing of the latest streaming riot info and video go from news to "entertainment" ya know something to watch?

This is a question you can ask yourself.


I don't know why I need to ask myself that more than you or anybody else - but I can tell you that it's not a question that can easily be answered, and now certainly isn't the time for that kind of philosophising to enter the editorial decisions made by news channels.

The reasons that people watch the news can range from a genuine need for information, to being 'transfixed' by the sheer awfulness of events as they unfold, and perhaps for some viewers, a level of schadenfruede that makes people feel better about their own lives, or pure, mindless entertainment and enjoyment of anarchic or violent scenes, as you suggest.

But to argue that a small minority of viewers may derive some perverse pleasure from seeing something shouldn't mean that the rest of the audience should be denied it. That would be as illogical as banning all children from being shown on television because a tiny portion of society might 'get off' on seeing them; or banning all violent scenes in films or dramas because some people argue that they promote or even incite violence.
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RenII posted:
Scores of tweets complaining about the lack of coverage on both BBC News and Sky News of tonight's clashes in Enfield. Tweets indicate violent clashes with police, petrol bombs being thrown, looting at Comet and Currys, and at least one stabbing. The Guardian's Paul Lewis has tweeted that around 200 young people in clashes with riot police and dogs, and that a teenage boy was stabbed.

To watch BBC News, you'd have no idea that any of this was even happening tonight.


Could it be that they don't want to inflame things, ya know like an entertainment guide for chavs:
"I see that s**t's going down at Westfield White City, let's go and steal some Nike's and burn things"


No. Given that every newspaper is covered with pictures of burning buildings, and Twitter is flooded with news, opinions and even calls to action - encouraging looting, violence and targeting police - the suggestion that the news channels have a responsibility to avoid keeping viewers informed, in case someone sees something that encourages them to join in, is frankly stupid. Spectacularly stupid. Completely devoid of intelligence and reason.

The kinds of people that are minded to take these sorts of illegal actions are not the kinds of people that rely on news channel coverage - these people will already be on Twitter or BBM or texting/calling their friends, actively looking for ways to join in.
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London/UK Riots Coverage (Sky News/BBC News Channel)

Scores of tweets complaining about the lack of coverage on both BBC News and Sky News of tonight's clashes in Enfield. Tweets indicate violent clashes with police, petrol bombs being thrown, looting at Comet and Currys, and Krispy Kreme donut cafe has been burnt down; reports of other fires. The Guardian's Paul Lewis has tweeted that around 200 young people were involved in clashes with riot police and dogs, and that a teenage boy was stabbed; his friends refused to allow police to help, saying "why do you think everything's going on? Because we fvcking hate you." Tweets also suggesting further violence and looting in Ponders End and Walthamstow, in addition to Enfield.

To watch BBC News, you'd have no idea that any of this was even happening tonight.
Last edited by BBC LDN on 7 August 2011 11:21pm
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The BBC's coverage was, in my opinion, very good and in the thick of it during those protests. I have to agree, however, that its coverage of the unrest in the last 24 hours has been extremely tepid.


Well, how much coverage of mindless destruction do we really need to see ?

I'm at saturation point now, seeing halfwits smashing up buildings and street furniture over the last year or so. Turning it into hours of live blow by blow coverage runs the risk to glorify it in the minds of all the like minded idiots up and down the country, and trigger copy-cat events.


I'm not advocating an excess of coverage up to and beyond saturation point - but last night, in the midst of a major story with numerous angles, and which was developing in any number of ways, for a good ten hours or so, the BBC repeatedly broke away from its coverage at a time when a significant number of viewers wanted (and in the case of those nearest the action, needed) more information. In amongst all the ignorant tripe spat out by ill-informed morons on Twitter, there were many more level-headed comments from people who couldn't understand why the BBC was breaking away from such an important story to show British Olympic Dreams or HARDtalk.

I'm not for a moment suggesting that the BBC should now - 24 hours on - keep cycling the same footage and repeating the same interviews, just to try to keep the story alive; my comments refer to the coverage of the events as they were unfolding and early this morning as the dust started to settle. In the thick of the story, and in its immediate aftermath, the BBC's coverage was, frankly, disappointing and lazy. No part of last night's coverage - in my eyes, at least - represented BBC News at its best, or BBC News trying its hardest to relentlessly cover every angle of a fluid and developing situation.

Some individuals in the BBC News team did excel themselves - Andy Moore and Rickin Majithia are two names that come to mind - but the overall coverage was a letdown, and I think that resulted not from a failure of those on the ground, but from some very poor editorial decisions.

If anyone disagrees with that assessment, I'd genuinely like to hear why.

Clearly, there were some limitations beyond their control - among them, very important safety concerns for their teams, and the destruction of broadcast equipment - but there were still many angles that could have been explored and resources that could have been tapped (including Twitter and eyewitness accounts and video) in order to sustain rolling coverage, and which did not require a reporter live on the scene on camera.
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why does it feel like the BBC N Channel aren't really bothering today? They've been really flat this morning compared to Sky


They usually are in these circumstances. I remember the student riots and they had a distant shot of just people milling around. Sky, on the other hand were in the same place with a camera pointing in the other direction where there were police and rioter clashes. BBC do like to tone things down.

Although the BBC were caught up in the crossfire yesterday, by accident (as were the Sky News team on the oppositre side of the road)... I have noticed they (the BBC) do seem to sit on the sidelines a bit in public disorder situations whereas the Sky/ITN teams seem to get in action a bit more. Maybe different H&S regs.

Maybe the BBC feel angry that their satellite truck was damaged and their reporters/camerateam mobbed.

For anyone who has just logged on and wonder what we've been talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdfqcvGE6zQ

One would assume that this was the BBC's satellite truck that was badly damaged...

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You must have been watching a different BBC News to me. I remember BBC correspondents in the thick of it - Ben Brown, in particular, in protective clothing and hard hat in the middle of the Parliament Square 'kettle', and other reporters and camera crews reporting from outside the kettle and showing live destruction and confrontations with police from various zones, including their helicopter showing clashes between police and those determined to cause trouble.

The BBC's coverage was, in my opinion, very good and in the thick of it during those protests. I have to agree, however, that its coverage of the unrest in the last 24 hours has been extremely tepid.
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Oh God, not 'British Olympic Dreams' again. *screams*
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Andy Moore back at Television Centre talking to Deborah Macenzie about the moment he, his cameraman and the BBC satellite truck were set upon.


That was actually a repeat of an interview that took place at 0410.
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London/UK Riots Coverage (Sky News/BBC News Channel)

Sweet sh!tballs. Riots, looting and burning in our nation's capital - so of course it's the perfect opportunity to cut away from rolling coverage to show Click, introduced by Spencer Kelly doing a spectacularly unfunny dance.
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New footage has finally made it on air on BBC News Channel; I don't currently have access to Sky News, so I don't know if it's the same footage that was shown on Sky half an hour ago, but my understanding was that BBC crews had recorded their own footage.
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dvboy posted:
BBC News now showing a documentary about the 2001 Oldham riots.

Newer pictures on Sky News now.


These BBC pre-recorded programmes are intensely irritating. It's bad enough that coverage has to be fragmented due to World News simulcasts; breaking it up further with scheduled programming that 0% of viewers have tuned in to watch is inexcusable.

Interesting to hear that Sky's got new footage available; evidently, the estimates I heard on the BBC getting new footage up was a bit optimistic, but perhaps they'll have it ready from the TOTH. We'll see, I suppose.