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Bradby at Ten

ITN Presenter Shake-Up (June 2015)

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NE
newsman1
The now former Guantanamo detainee Shaker Aamer was referred to on News at Ten as a British citizen, which he isn't - he's a British resident.
JU
thejules
There are no snazzy elements its a purely editorial relaunch???? And no news bulleting can or should cover every story what counts is the quality of the reporting on the stories chosen. I like the snappy analysis preceding the reports I learnt that the West engineered the coup to replace Iran's democratically elected government with the Shah because of....OIL LOL ...which ultimately led to the arrival of the Islamic fundamentalists.


Hang on. Can you run that by me again? The bit about the coup, Iran, the Shah, etc. If that's the way that News at Ten has presented the complexity of Iran (or Persia as it would have been at the time) then it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. This may be a case of cutting a long story short on your part, but if that is what you've taken away from the broadcast and accepted as fact, then I'm sorry, ITV News is up the proverbial. This is why news reports do an injustice towards history when it attempts to condense hundreds of years into a 90-second package.

Very brief history lesson coming up... The West did not engineer a "coup to replace Iran's democratically elected government with the Shah". The Qajar dynasty that had ruled Persia since 1789 was overthrown in 1925 because it was corrupt, weak and led by an eleven-year old Shah. It was also under an increasing threat from the Bolsheviks. It was replaced by the Pahlavi dynasty which was from the same house as the Qajar dynasty. In time, it moved away from a system of absolute monarchy to one of constitutional monarchy. The Shah appointed Prime Ministers that were 'democratically-elected' by the Parliament (not the people). In 1953, there was a coup d'etat that removed the 'democratically-elected' Prime Minister, Mosaddegh, and strengthened the hand of the Shah. There are a variety of reasons for the removal of Mosaddegh (an assassination attempt on the Shah, personal animosity, disagreements over oil and the predecessor to BP, and the fact that Mosaddegh was a close blood relative of the Qajar dynasty). What happened after, of course, is that the Shah was toppled in 1979, the monarchy abolished, and the Ayatollahs took control.

That's a summary of the events and is hardly touches on the complexity of the issues at play. If the News at Ten presented the history of the country as you've presented it, then I'm afraid they've done you a disservice.


I can't remember exactly what Tom said about Iran save that there was a democratically elected leader who wanted to nationalise BP and the West may have been involved in engineering the coup which saw him replaced by the shah. The detail is irrelevant the point is News at Ten is engaging in serious News stories and providing concise historical analytical contexte to its viewers. You should be welcoming that!!
JU
thejules
There are no snazzy elements its a purely editorial relaunch???? And no news bulleting can or should cover every story what counts is the quality of the reporting on the stories chosen. I like the snappy analysis preceding the reports I learnt that the West engineered the coup to replace Iran's democratically elected government with the Shah because of....OIL LOL ...which ultimately led to the arrival of the Islamic fundamentalists.


Hang on. Can you run that by me again? The bit about the coup, Iran, the Shah, etc. If that's the way that News at Ten has presented the complexity of Iran (or Persia as it would have been at the time) then it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. This may be a case of cutting a long story short on your part, but if that is what you've taken away from the broadcast and accepted as fact, then I'm sorry, ITV News is up the proverbial. This is why news reports do an injustice towards history when it attempts to condense hundreds of years into a 90-second package.

Very brief history lesson coming up... The West did not engineer a "coup to replace Iran's democratically elected government with the Shah". The Qajar dynasty that had ruled Persia since 1789 was overthrown in 1925 because it was corrupt, weak and led by an eleven-year old Shah. It was also under an increasing threat from the Bolsheviks. It was replaced by the Pahlavi dynasty which was from the same house as the Qajar dynasty. In time, it moved away from a system of absolute monarchy to one of constitutional monarchy. The Shah appointed Prime Ministers that were 'democratically-elected' by the Parliament (not the people). In 1953, there was a coup d'etat that removed the 'democratically-elected' Prime Minister, Mosaddegh, and strengthened the hand of the Shah. There are a variety of reasons for the removal of Mosaddegh (an assassination attempt on the Shah, personal animosity, disagreements over oil and the predecessor to BP, and the fact that Mosaddegh was a close blood relative of the Qajar dynasty). What happened after, of course, is that the Shah was toppled in 1979, the monarchy abolished, and the Ayatollahs took control.

That's a summary of the events and is hardly touches on the complexity of the issues at play. If the News at Ten presented the history of the country as you've presented it, then I'm afraid they've done you a disservice.


I can't remember exactly what Tom said about Iran save that there was a democratically elected leader who wanted to nationalise BP and the West may have been involved in engineering the coup which saw him replaced by the shah. The detail is irrelevant the point is News at Ten is engaging in serious News stories and providing concise historical analytical contexte to its viewers. You should be welcoming that!!
SC
Schwing
I can't remember exactly what Tom said about Iran save that there was a democratically elected leader who wanted to nationalise BP and the West may have been involved in engineering the coup which saw him replaced by the shah . The detail is irrelevant the point is News at Ten is engaging in serious News stories and providing concise historical analytical contexte to its viewers. You should be welcoming that!!


I've taken the liberty of highlighting key faults in your argument. Firstly, Mosaddegh was not the leader. He was the Prime Minster. The leader was the Shah. Mosaddegh didn't want to nationalise BP - it was the predecessor to BP, the AIOC, that he wanted to nationalise. If it was referred to as BP in the broadcast it was factually incorrect. Mosaddegh was not replaced by the Shah. He was removed from office and replaced by Fazlollah Zahedi.

It is, however, obtuse of you to say that "the detail is irrelevant". The detail is everything. Those of us here that work in these environments will testify to this. As you correctly say, the "historical analytical contexte" [sic] should be concise. Yet above all else it should be correct. It should be factually and historically accurate. For the record, the News at Ten has always engaged serious news. It is not a new development that was ushered in with Tom Bradby's arrival at the anchor desk. For someone who admires News at Ten so much and has discussed at length the strength of the ITN brand, you've demonstrated a rather surprising ignorance of the broadcast's history and pedigree.

Any attempt to engage in "serious news stories" (your words, not mine) is undermined if the facts are not accurately presented. As I've said, it may be that you misunderstood what was said but, if that's that case, it calls into question the clarity of the report and how the broadcast was edited and scripted.
SC
Schwing
A tit-bit from this morning's Express:

''The former political editor of ITN has reduced this half-hour bulletin to the equivalent of a chat down the pub with your mate...together with a casual style we now have Bradby's opinion. Sorry, but who cares ? ITV you have completely ruined your news.''

For the record, I do not read the Express. I've seen this reported on (sacré bleu!) another forum... Irrespective of the source, the point it valid. The conversational tone of the broadcast and the editorialising/opinions of Bradby do little to help.
LV
LondonViewer
A tit-bit from this morning's Express:

''The former political editor of ITN has reduced this half-hour bulletin to the equivalent of a chat down the pub with your mate...together with a casual style we now have Bradby's opinion. Sorry, but who cares ? ITV you have completely ruined your news.''

Indeed they have. I haven't watched for a couple of weeks and will not be returning.
BR
Brekkie
The point is valid but very much the case of the pot calling the kettle black.
SC
Schwing
The point is valid but very much the case of the pot calling the kettle black.


To quote Marx: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others".
DT
DTV
Don't Ofcom regulations state that broadcast news has to be impartial? If so how does an employee of ITN giving his opinions on news stories fit into that. Surely this is a contravention of broadcasting regulation. I would hate for this be the first step towards American style news programming.
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SK
Skygeek
DTV posted:
Don't Ofcom regulations state that broadcast news has to be impartial? If so how does an employee of ITN giving his opinions on news stories fit into that. Surely this is a contravention of broadcasting regulation. I would hate for this be the first step towards American style news programming.

While, speaking purely personally, I'm not a fan of the new format, it's not like Bradby's reaching the end of a passage of script and saying: "And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why George Osborne is an [insert expletive here]."


It's not very well-executed (yet), but I suspect that Bradby and his team understand that there are three elements to every major news story: the basic facts, the context surrounding it, and the analysis and opinion that will result from that story.

HOWEVER, a half-hour mainstream news bulletin may not be the best place for a presenter to bear that mainly on their own shoulders - as much as anything because it threatens to under-cut the journalism done in the segments he's introducing by trying to do all the storytelling up-front in a 30-second cue.

That's not to say there isn't a place for such a format - but I'm not sure if that's in an flagship - nay, iconic - slot on one of the main two channels with a broadcaster who (The Agenda" aside) is comparatively un-used to playing the role of ringmaster.
JU
thejules
I can't remember exactly what Tom said about Iran save that there was a democratically elected leader who wanted to nationalise BP and the West may have been involved in engineering the coup which saw him replaced by the shah . The detail is irrelevant the point is News at Ten is engaging in serious News stories and providing concise historical analytical contexte to its viewers. You should be welcoming that!!


I've taken the liberty of highlighting key faults in your argument. Firstly, Mosaddegh was not the leader. He was the Prime Minster. The leader was the Shah. Mosaddegh didn't want to nationalise BP - it was the predecessor to BP, the AIOC, that he wanted to nationalise. If it was referred to as BP in the broadcast it was factually incorrect. Mosaddegh was not replaced by the Shah. He was removed from office and replaced by Fazlollah Zahedi.

It is, however, obtuse of you to say that "the detail is irrelevant". The detail is everything. Those of us here that work in these environments will testify to this. As you correctly say, the "historical analytical contexte" [sic] should be concise. Yet above all else it should be correct. It should be factually and historically accurate. For the record, the News at Ten has always engaged serious news. It is not a new development that was ushered in with Tom Bradby's arrival at the anchor desk. For someone who admires News at Ten so much and has discussed at length the strength of the ITN brand, you've demonstrated a rather surprising ignorance of the broadcast's history and pedigree.

Any attempt to engage in "serious news stories" (your words, not mine) is undermined if the facts are not accurately presented. As I've said, it may be that you misunderstood what was said but, if that's that case, it calls into aquestion the clarity of the report and how the broadcast was edited and scripted.


I am sure any factual errors in a News at Ten from almost 10 days ago are entirely my own and that if we were to obtain the transcript from ITN then their recap of the facts would be entirely vindicatif. And just for the record their are periods of time when News at Ten had a significantly more populist and downmarket agenda than today.
SJ
sjhoward
For what it's worth, Jan Moir has seen fit to stick the boot in too. Some choice quotes:

Quote:
Oh, the horror! Tom Bradby has taken over as the new anchor at ITV - and the Jan Scores are in ... Tom sits alone behind a huge slab of black mirror, which masquerades as a desk. I imagine he leans over and smirks happily at his reflection during the ad breaks. Blows himself the occasional kiss ... He has turned the once-respected programme into News at Tom ... Tom is determined to stamp his smarmy personality over everything and everyone. In the process, he down-grades the actual news, which becomes a backdrop to his own lovely self ... I pity the talented ITV journalists, the Bradby Bunch, who must file their reports into this black hole of Tom-smuggery.


I'm genuinely not sure whether Moir's hypocrisy is intended to be 'humorously knowing' or whether she just lacks insight. Either option isn't especially reassuring.

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