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Mouseboy33

Do you have anything to back up that Londoners are up this early?



Even midsize U.S. cities have morning news starting at 4:30 A.M. these days. ARD, ZDF, and Sat.1 in Germany start their morning shows at 5:30 A.M. I have a hard time believing that London, one of the world's most vibrant cities, is sound asleep until 6 A.M.

Regarding some previous posts:

I honestly believe that the "cultural differences" argument is often used as an excuse by those who tend to be overly cautious and conservative when it comes to thinking beyond how things have traditionally been done. In today's globalized world, it's important that, before embarking on any major project, television producers consider what has and hasn't worked in other countries. Of course, that entails adapting other nation's experiences rather than copying them, since national TV markets are fundamentally different, but just saying "We're unique, so this will never work here," strikes me as the lazy way out.

After all, British television executives once believed that morning television wouldn't work in the UK because of "cultural differences," never mind that the Today Show had been hugely popular in the U.S. since the 1950s. It was only when ITV and the BBC actually launched breakfast television that they discovered that Britons were no different from the Americans in this regard.

Nicely expressed.
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dosxuk
Even midsize U.S. cities have morning news starting at 4:30 A.M. these days. ARD, ZDF, and Sat.1 in Germany start their morning shows at 5:30 A.M. I have a hard time believing that London, one of the world's most vibrant cities, is sound asleep until 6 A.M.


If the BBC, one of the largest news organisations on the planet, can't even justify a UK aimed bulletin at 5am, do you really think the funds will be available to do so for a little minnow of a competitor.

But why? Is it because Britons inherently prefer the radio medium or is it because British TV channels currently do not provide a breakfast show format appealing enough to capture large audiences? Since the likes of TV-am and The Big Breakfast have been successful in the past, I'm inclined to think it's the latter.


Radio is easier to have on during the morning, you don't need to be in the same room and you can continue to listen while you're on your way in. I don't want to get up an hour earlier to sit and watch the TV before I go to work, but I do want to know what's going on, even after I've left the house.
LL
London Lite Founding member
The radio industry also invests huge sums into their breakfast shows, Radio 4's Today is the de-facto 'local' breakfast show for Londoners, setting the agenda for the day. LBC's Nick Ferrari also attracts a large share for his London-centric programme, alongside the music stations.
WW
WW Update
Radio is easier to have on during the morning, you don't need to be in the same room and you can continue to listen while you're on your way in. I don't want to get up an hour earlier to sit and watch the TV before I go to work, but I do want to know what's going on, even after I've left the house.


Well, yes, radio has the advantage of mobility, and it gets high ratings pretty much everywhere because people can listen to it in their cars. However, studies show that most people don't pay full attention to breakfast TV either -- they leave it on while they do their morning chores. In other words, I don't think that television has a permanent disadvantage in this regard. The key is finding the right format to attract a large audience. Of course, the formula can vary: In some U.S. cities, local morning shows get higher ratings than Today or Good Morning America.
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WW
WW Update
The radio industry also invests huge sums into their breakfast shows


Precisely. Around the world, broadcasters that have a strong commitment to their TV breakfast shows also tend to get good ratings. I would argue that cultural differences are not the deciding factor here.
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dosxuk
I would argue that cultural differences are not the deciding factor here.


The "cultural differences" people are talking about are that people in the UK generally don't consider the TV as a medium to consume during the morning. To get a decent breakfast TV audience, these local TV channels will not only have to take on the might of the BBC and ITV, they'll also have to actually create an audience from people who won't even be looking for them, and who are actively dismissal of them.

I certainly won't be watching the breakfast provision of the local TV station in Sheffield when it launches, regardless of what they offer (well, since their plan is to simply simulcast their current community radio station for breakfast, I already know what they're going to offer) as it would require a massive change in how I get ready in the mornings.
LL
London Lite Founding member
Tonight's Not the One Show is using rehashed copy from Wake Up London about the Dogs v Cats debate, they also aired part of a debate from Headline London.
MO
Mouseboy33
I don't want to get up an hour earlier to sit and watch the TV before I go to work, but I do want to know what's going on, even after I've left the house.


Well I live in a market with established local news. All of them start at 4:30 and I can say I have never sat down to watch and most people I dont dont sit down to watch, but its on and if I happen to hear (like radio) something i find interesting, I will stop and look. Like radio playing in the background, most people have the telly going in the morning. Radio is for the car or portable devices.
WW
WW Update

The "cultural differences" people are talking about are that people in the UK generally don't consider the TV as a medium to consume during the morning.


But why don't they? I would argue it's not because of cultural differences, but because they are currently not offered an attractive enough product (and therefore haven't developed a morning TV habit).
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dosxuk
Well I live in a market with established local news.


And there's the culture difference - nobody in the UK does.
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Mouseboy33
Well I live in a market with established local news.


And there's the culture difference - nobody in the UK does.

Because local news is just getting started there.
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dosxuk

The "cultural differences" people are talking about are that people in the UK generally don't consider the TV as a medium to consume during the morning.


But why don't they? I would argue it's not because of cultural differences, but because they are not offered an attractive enough product.


That is a cultural difference though.

Companies like the ITV spending a lot of money trying to attract an audience for breakfast TV, and failing, should demonstrate how little Brits are actually interested in the format. If there was something simple, like starting at 4am, ITV would have tried it and captured the suppressed demand you appear to believe exists.

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