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EL
elmarko
I just wanted to say that DSLRs for live output is mad.

Will it be the first time progressive output is used for a live show instead of interlaced? I may have seen some before but it's very rare.
BA
Bail Moderator
As far as I'm aware no system (TV based, IP is different) in the UK actually transmits in progressive, all systems interlace for transmission.

But yes DSLRs are not built for live output the issue used to be overheating sensors, I presume the D800 doesn't have this issue?

Edit: I also notice from some of the videos posted earlier in the thread, poorly framed iphone footage and wrongly white balanced dslr interview, should look great come launch...!
BA
bilky asko
Bail posted:
As far as I'm aware no system (TV based, IP is different) in the UK actually transmits in progressive, all systems interlace for transmission.

But yes DSLRs are not built for live output the issue used to be overheating sensors, I presume the D800 doesn't have this issue?


Unless the overheating causes the camera to turn off, it shouldn't be a (visible) issue.
Last edited by bilky asko on 18 March 2014 12:00pm - 2 times in total
LL
London Lite Founding member

The 7pm entertainment/news programme again will probably blend the two in a One Show style format of pre-recorded packages.


My bet is the talk to package ratio will be higher (chat is a lot cheaper than packaging), and that the production values and content will be very different to The One Show.


Agreed. There's a little more information about the 6.30pm showbiz programme, which will feature a panel, some who'll be using Skype. It also appears this programme will use the news presenters on rotation.
BA
Bail Moderator
Unless the overheating causes the camera to turn off, it shouldn't be a (visible) issue.

Yes and no, heat increases the view-ability of any dead pixels (and no sensor is perfect) it also shortens the lifespan of the sensor itself, it is designed after-all to take 1 single frame , not 25 of them, continuously. But, the sheer resolution of the sensor being scaled down to HD will help hide most issues, I suppose "technically" there isn't anything wrong with the idea. I don't like it though Razz
GL
globaltraffic24
Sky seems to be showing live rehearsals. Caught the last few minutes of Headline London. It was pretty poor. The set reminds me of an empty shop unit. (think New Look without any stock!)
BA
bilky asko
Bail posted:
Unless the overheating causes the camera to turn off, it shouldn't be a (visible) issue.

Yes and no, heat increases the view-ability of any dead pixels (and no sensor is perfect) it also shortens the lifespan of the sensor itself, it is designed after-all to take 1 single frame , not 25 of them, continuously. But, the sheer resolution of the sensor being scaled down to HD will help hide most issues, I suppose "technically" there isn't anything wrong with the idea. I don't like it though Razz

Yeah, I did mean in terms of the recording issues overheating often causes (which of course is all bypassed when used live), rather than the picture quality issues that overheating causes.

Unless the cameras are being routinely used for stills photography, it does seem like a waste of money for the "cool" effect - they could get much better dedicated video cameras for less money.
EL
elmarko
Bail posted:
As far as I'm aware no system (TV based, IP is different) in the UK actually transmits in progressive, all systems interlace for transmission.

Sorry, let me clarify. I know all transmission is interlaced, but obviously you can show progressive content within that and it will look progressive.

That's what I meant about this Smile
BA
Bail Moderator
Bail posted:
As far as I'm aware no system (TV based, IP is different) in the UK actually transmits in progressive, all systems interlace for transmission.

Sorry, let me clarify. I know all transmission is interlaced, but obviously you can show progressive content within that and it will look progressive.

That's what I meant about this Smile

In which case it's being done all the time already and you probably just don't notice Smile Pretty much everything I shoot is in 25p for the BBC, or other broadcasters (bar POV which is the only 50i thing I can think of off the top of my head)
EL
elmarko
Right, I know, everything I shoot at work is 25p, but I'm not making a news studio show. Which is my point Smile

It would be a very odd look for output of that type.

Also yeah those cameras are going to overheat like a bitch.
IS
Isonstine Founding member
Plenty of national ads going out on the Sky feed - although it appears to be stuck in a time warp as plenty of old Christmas adverts are included. Unless London Live gets the honour of being the first to air this year's Christmas ads. I wonder when they will introduce their Christmas idents?
LO
Londoner
Feature on the idents in today's Evening Standard. Not online yet.

Also the first clue I've seen re. weekend schedules

Saturday 1pm London Local - ultra-local viewer videos presented by Vanessa Baffoe

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