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(January 2006)

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GE
Gareth E
Reports of the death of BBC Sport have been greatly exaggerated. This year the BBC has signed five year deals to cover Wimbledon and The Six Nations and has the rights to 50 pc of Formula 1 until 2018. Also MOTD and the Championship will be on BBC One until 2016. The Olympics are the icing on the cake and if BBC Sport was allegedly dead, how come the IOC has given them the next two Olympics.
The BBC might have lost the Grand National and the Derby this year and has no live English football until 2014( excluding the olympics), but their sportfolio consists of Match of the Day, Score, Football Focus, The Football League Show, Wimbledon, The Olympics, domestic athletics, the Challenge Cup, the Six Nations, the Commonwealth Games, Moto GP, the Queens Club Tournament, The Open, most domestic snooker, The US Masters, 50 pc of Formula 1, the BDC, the Horse of the Year Show and live Scotland football matches.


I'd just like to make a point about this issue. I've talked many times in the past about the massive decrease in sports coverage on the BBC over the last years. On no occasion have I ever suggested that BBC Sport was 'dying'. However it is undoubtedly nothing like the department it was 20, or even 10 years ago.

Brekkie is correct - for a multitude of reasons - finances, proliferation of channels etc, the BBC have chosen to focus on retaining rights to many of the big sporting events - such as those mentioned above. However, by doing so, they've had to let go of the rights to many of the lesser events which they used to cover. 10 years ago, the BBC schedules were filled with sport every Saturday and Sunday afternoon without fail. That is no longer the case. There have been many, many weekend afternoons over the past years with either no sport whatsoever, or the bare minimum of Football Focus and Final Score on a Saturday afternoon.

I could go on and on here, talking about the specific events which have been lost etc, but the point is that the BBC simply broadcasts much less sport than it used to.

In fact, in the past financial year, the amount of televised sport on BBC Television was reduced by 389 hours - as shown below - more than any other genre within the BBC.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61598000/gif/_61598283_tv_hours464x270.gif

BBC Sport has not died. But its certainly not the department that it once was.
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
No live football until 2014 is a biggie. We've seen this week Lee Dixon make the transfer from the BBC to ITV, and who can blame him ? At least they have live Champions League, FA Cup, Europa League & England Internationals.

I can see BT signing up Gary Lineker for their football coverage for the season after next.
JO
Jon

I can see BT signing up Gary Lineker for their football coverage for the season after next.

The thing is if football doesn't have the desired effect for BT, where does he go then, he'll just be yesterdays man.

I've still heard no news about the away World Cup qualifiers for England, also there is the World Club cup they might get their hands on.

Don't forget they did reportedly bid for some live premier league matches, so there may well be money in the pot, unless it was just a token bid.
TI
tightrope78
Reports of the death of BBC Sport have been greatly exaggerated. This year the BBC has signed five year deals to cover Wimbledon and The Six Nations and has the rights to 50 pc of Formula 1 until 2018. Also MOTD and the Championship will be on BBC One until 2016. The Olympics are the icing on the cake and if BBC Sport was allegedly dead, how come the IOC has given them the next two Olympics.
The BBC might have lost the Grand National and the Derby this year and has no live English football until 2014( excluding the olympics), but their sportfolio consists of Match of the Day, Score, Football Focus, The Football League Show, Wimbledon, The Olympics, domestic athletics, the Challenge Cup, the Six Nations, the Commonwealth Games, Moto GP, the Queens Club Tournament, The Open, most domestic snooker, The US Masters, 50 pc of Formula 1, the BDC, the Horse of the Year Show and live Scotland football matches.


I'd just like to make a point about this issue. I've talked many times in the past about the massive decrease in sports coverage on the BBC over the last years. On no occasion have I ever suggested that BBC Sport was 'dying'.


To be fair I'm sure he wasn't referring to you, unless you have an inflated ego that you and you alone are the arbiter of the health of BBC Sport! It is articles such as these that he no doubt refers to:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/apr/13/bbc-sport-live

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/9163602/Clare-Balding-will-have-the-final-word-as-the-BBCs-Grand-National-era-comes-to-a-close-next-month.html
MI
Michael
Things the BBC can do:

1) Expand its Celtic League coverage nationwide. Friday night has been Rugby Night in Wales for well over a decade now, and as BBC Scotland, BBC Alba and BBC NI have the rights to Celtic League matches as well as BBC Wales, I can't see much of an issue in offering the programming in England too. After all, Challenge Cup RL matches are shown nationwide and interest in that doesn't stretch much around the M62 (Broncos excepted).

2) Bid for football - ANY football. Johnston Paint Trophy, Conference Football, FA Vase, anything to undercut Sky and ESPN who regularly bury these competitions inamongst the glitz and glamour of Premier League / Football League coverage where they get lost.

3) Go down the Five route and bring back baseball, ice hockey etc. to our late night screens - BBC Three late night is begging for a refresh from endless Family Guy repeats, and Nat Coombs and Michael Carlson et al are still around.

Just some ideas...
JO
Jon

1) Expand its Celtic League coverage nationwide. Friday night has been Rugby Night in Wales for well over a decade now, and as BBC Scotland, BBC Alba and BBC NI have the rights to Celtic League matches as well as BBC Wales, I can't see much of an issue in offering the programming in England too. After all, Challenge Cup RL matches are shown nationwide and interest in that doesn't stretch much around the M62 (Broncos excepted).

I like Brekkie have always thought this as a good idea. Politically though would there be a problem with the nations using up part of their budgets on network programming?
GE
Gareth E
To be fair I'm sure he wasn't referring to you, unless you have an inflated ego that you and you alone are the arbiter of the health of BBC Sport! It is articles such as these that he no doubt refers to:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/apr/13/bbc-sport-live

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/horseracing/9163602/Clare-Balding-will-have-the-final-word-as-the-BBCs-Grand-National-era-comes-to-a-close-next-month.html


Haha . . . of course! It just occurs to me that perhaps I have been more critical and vocal about the BBC's dwindling commitment to sport than many others on this forum. Believe me, my ego is as small as, well, BBC Sport is these days. Smile
JO
Jon


3) Go down the Five route and bring back baseball, ice hockey etc. to our late night screens - BBC Three late night is begging for a refresh from endless Family Guy repeats, and Nat Coombs and Michael Carlson et al are still around.

Did BBC Sport always used to show some British Ice Hockey tournament on Sunday Grandstand. What tournament was this, where did it go?
GE
thegeek Founding member
Jon posted:
Jon posted:
I've just noticed James Richardson is going back to his 'Gazzetta Football Italia' roots by presenting British Eurosport's coverage from a café, whether that's a café in London or France I'm not sure. I'm assuming it's the former though as they seem quite pleased about Bradley Wiggins stage win.


Yep, it's in London, on Old Street: http://www.lookmumnohands.com/

Has the whole thing come from there, or just todays coverage?


They've been doing bits and pieces, although not the whole thing.

This was on a weekday afternoon:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/7544660730_f867651108_z.jpg

They had (non-British) Eurosport up on the big screen, which meant that the punters didn't get to hear any of the coverage, unless they were sitting close enough!

(very nice café by the way, I'd recommend it if you're in the area)
BR
Brekkie
Jon posted:

1) Expand its Celtic League coverage nationwide. Friday night has been Rugby Night in Wales for well over a decade now, and as BBC Scotland, BBC Alba and BBC NI have the rights to Celtic League matches as well as BBC Wales, I can't see much of an issue in offering the programming in England too. After all, Challenge Cup RL matches are shown nationwide and interest in that doesn't stretch much around the M62 (Broncos excepted).

I like Brekkie have always thought this as a good idea. Politically though would there be a problem with the nations using up part of their budgets on network programming?

At the very minimum they should show the Celtic League final - but if they could switch coverage of some games (not necessarily all 22 rounds) to Saturday or Sunday afternoon they could begin plugging some gaps in the weekend sports schedule.

They also need to ensure all of the main Diamond League meetings air on BBC2 or BBC3, especially with the downsizing of the red button. The early ones in Asia and America don't matter so much as frankly they don't deserve Diamond League status, but the European 7pm meetings could all sit happily within the BBC2 or BBC3 schedule. Sadly though the chief been counters at the BBC seem to see sport as displacing the schedule (even for the Olympics) rather than an opportunity to fill the schedule and save on commissioning shows for those slots.

There are other red button events which deserve a promotion too - not all international. Obviously the Olympics raised the event but for me one of the hihglights of the year so far was the British Swimming Championships back in March - a very competitive event with strength in depth and far more of an event than the athletics equivalent, with each nights main programme packed into an hour long slot which could comfortably sit on BBC2 or BBC3 in the 7pm hour.

I wonder too if the BBC will retain the UCI World Cycling events too - they really should aim to keep them as it is now arguably our premier Olympic sport, but I do wonder if ITV4 might take an interest in covering those now to, although so far their only track cyclng coverage has been highlights of the Revolution series.
Last edited by Brekkie on 22 July 2012 1:06pm
JO
Jon
Some live football on BBC Alba today a pre-season friendly between Falkirk v Middlesbrough.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
I presume ITV1 showing the Tour de France is a last minute thing due to Bradley Wiggins' success, judging by the graphics and mic covers having ITV4 branding?

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