I would be happy with the new region being called either Look North or Look East as both would seem relevant. Once the new region is up and running, some parts of East Yorkshire will be able to pick up 3 BBC regions.
BBC Hull (Belmont)
BBC Leeds (Emley)
And also around 90% of the county can also recieve BBC Newcastle/Tyne Tees (Bilsdale)
I for one would miss BBC North in Leeds once the new sevice gets underway however there is always Sky Digital. But it would be really good to see my own city recieve its own state of the art Broadcast Centre and I love the idea of a news programs and more going out from Hull, so I`m all for it!
I can't help the way my anxiety goes into hyperdrive when i think about it - every time I switch to page 170 Ceefax, my heart turns violently in case it shows me the news I don't like to think about yet I know is inevitable.
No-one's yet said officially if lunchtimes are going to be made interactive, so I've been worried over that for a very long while. I don't want to lose the privilege of seeing Peter and Paul at lunchtimes. They're a part of autistic routine now, and you should know by now that whilst 'normal' people don't mind a change of routine, people like me get incredibly distressed and wound up about even the smallest things being changed about their world, ESPECIALLY if it's something that the person values immensely about their routine. You may not mind losing Peter and Paul if it comes to that, but I do. I find change upsetting and un-nerving. Even as a child, if my dad drove a different route to my grandparents, it caused me immense fright and through sheer mounting anxiety of this enforced change, I threw a tantrum in the back of the car, kicking my dad's seat rear very hard.
A lot of the ins and outs of this new service have yet to be confirmed and announced, and fear of the unknown is something I cannot stand beyond anything else, especially when 'unknown variables' like the new Look North and its yet-to-be-revealed content are something I cannot control. I decided to convert to Emley Look North because I know what the score is with them, but I don't with the Hull service. The Leeds lot have been very accomodating to me in the past year and I owe them my continued patronage.
For me, whoever these new people are that do it, it's what they will represent that awful day when I heard about the new region. They will represent the sheer panic I felt when I heard the news. They will represent that utter demon that all autistics hate, change. The Belmont transmitter will broadcast that 'change' in my life.
Whenever I poke fun at the Belmont thing, I do not ain it at you or anyone else. I firmly believe what i say is just a laugh, just a joke. The difference with my poking fun, is that owing to autism, I don't know where the boundary between 'poking fun' and annoying people lies, although it is obvious to everyone else. It's like swimming towards an island in an sea full of bombs that I cannot see but everyone else can see them and avoid them. I therefore swim into them all the time. Aspies and autistics always learn the hard way about unacceptable behaviour.
It's annoying and I find myself being angry with myself again because I've swum into one of your 'tolerance' bombs and made it explode. I'm sorry for that and wish I hadn't done so. I'll try to restrain myself in future, and if I ever explode another Square Eyes bomb, can you please tell me with a private message, as I try so hard to behave on here and get painfully embarrased when one of the bombs explode and my behaviour errors are exposed. I'll try really hard not to offend in future.
Well said Katherine!!!
I can identify a lot with what you've just said, as I'm an aspie myself. In fact it's the people who get hacked off with you that's the real problem. I certainly don't, and I enjoy reading your posts.
Autism and Asperger's Syndrome are what I call hidden disabilities, as it's only certain events (eg change) which trigger the symptoms. For the most part, we're perfectly normal - and just because we have the condition doesn't mean that we can't speak our minds! For instance, where I live (Duns) is in the Border TV tx area, but it also receives signals from TTTV's Chatton transmitter. To help me overcome my condition I spent 5 happy years in Sunderland, in a specialist school, and have made many friends there when I've gone back to visit them over the years. Because of this, I watch Tyne Tees instead of Border as it brings me closer to them. I certainly don't identify myself with Cumbria and cringe every time a local news story turns out turns out only to be relevant to there or the Isle of Man. In my opinion, people in the Scottish Borders should watch Scottish programmes and not those provided by a station which pretends to understand but in fact doesn't!
As you'll have gathered my pet complaint is about Border TV, and I find this one of the only places to let off steam about it without others taking offence. It's the same with you and Belmont - it's only a matter of opinion after all and if others take offence then that's their problem.
Carlton Central should have one Central News region based ultimately in Birmingham or Coventry- at the centre of the country- and news rooms throughout the region.
hmmm, funny you should mention coventry, doesnt a certain somebody live there?
M D R posted:
It would be broadcast through Sutton Coldfield and Waltham and their relays. The counties that the region would cover are:
These places really are 'the middle of the country', and deserve to be called the real Central region.
to be honest, i dont think that would serve the region any better? - if not make the situation worse!
1 news programme covering from wolverhampton to nottingham? thus leaving shropshire, worcestershire and numerous other counties without a news programme? or would you give them to the neighbouring franchises? - ie shrewsbury getting news from manchester or cardiff?
in your eyes its better to alienate 10,000s of people in the shire counties in order to centre the region on coventry - so that you will no longer have to moan about the fact that birmingham dominates central west (as i have said before - its britains second biggest city - alot goes on) and central east doesnt cover coventry as much as you'd like?
it seems you have a pretty big hang up about it? unless we can some how shift coventry 30 miles east into leicstershire brick-by-brick, or import some new york style gang land killers - or miraculously triple coventry's populatin over night - coventry is never going to get the attention you think it deserves.
without some fundomental changes to the location/power of the current transmitters at sutton coldfield and waltham there is no remedy for the situation for the current central east/west overlap. plus i cant see central having the apetite for splashing out on a new studio complex in telford or stoke-on-trent for the new west region
MD
M D R
I think you've miss understood some of the things I was saying. Read it again.
Yes. I do live in Coventry, but this is the place at the very centre of the country. Seems sensible to have a Central region based there, just as the London region is based in London!
MD
M D R
Don't most people in north and east Wales, Shropshire and Staffordshire receive Granada anyway? I know they were/are cated for on the Granada weather maps.
For people in Northampton, for exampe, hearing about Coventry, Leicester, Derby and Birmingham is a lot better than hearing about Shrewsbury, Wrexham, Stoke etc.
Shrops really isn't that 'central'. It could be in its own Granada sub-region, comprising Shropshire, Staffordshire, north and east Wales and Cheshire. These counties and regions have much more in common with each other than any of them do with Coventry, Leicester, or, indeed, Birmingham.
If Lincolnshire wasn't covered by Carlton Central, there would be no point in broadcasting a Central 'East' news service. If Herefordshire, Worcestershire and Gloucestershire were lost to HTV, or Oxfordshire to Meridian, there would be no need for a 'South' region.
I suggest a new look Central News for the real places at the middle of the country (and not places 'in the middle to the west' or 'in the middle but slightly east').
Am I the only one who thinks this is sensible??
DH
David H
M D R posted:
Don't most people in north and east Wales, Shropshire and Staffordshire receive Granada anyway? I know they were/are cated for on the Granada weather maps.
For people in Northampton, for exampe, hearing about Coventry, Leicester, Derby and Birmingham is a lot better than hearing about Shrewsbury, Wrexham, Stoke etc.
Shrops really isn't that 'central'. It could be in its own Granada sub-region, comprising Shropshire, Staffordshire, north and east Wales and Cheshire. These counties and regions have much more in common with each other than any of them do with Coventry, Leicester, or, indeed, Birmingham.
If Lincolnshire wasn't covered by Carlton Central, there would be no point in broadcasting a Central 'East' news service. If Herefordshire, Worcestershire and Gloucestershire were lost to HTV, or Oxfordshire to Meridian, there would be no need for a 'South' region.
I suggest a new look Central News for the real places at the middle of the country (and not places 'in the middle to the west' or 'in the middle but slightly east').
Am I the only one who thinks this is sensible??
I agree with you, M D R. Indeed it was me to suggested removing Shropshire, Herefordshire, Gloucestershire and Oxfordshire from the Central region in an earlier post in this thread. I also suggested the removal of the Sandy Heath transmitter and where its replacements should be in that same post so that people in Northants would no longer have to put up with Anglia and BBC Look East (Norwich).
Back to the new Hull-based BBC TV Region. What should happen to ITV in this area? Should Belmont be given back to Anglia?
If so Anglia might produce a dedicated edition of their news programme for the Belmont TX area. Then again YTV might do the same if Belmont remained a YTV transmitter.
Personally I think Belmont will remain a YTV transmitter and I think YTV should produce seperate East and West editions of Calendar. The East edition would come from Hull and would serve the Belmont TX area. The West edition would serve the Emley Moor TX area and would come from Leeds.
Both editions could have output from YTV's smaller newsrooms dotted around the region. Lincoln and Grimsby on the East edition and York and Sheffield on the West edition.
Bearing in mind that it is BBC North who are developing the Hull service,
and that Close Up North's replacement and North of Westminster will probably still be shown across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire...
I can't see Look East being chosen, as it would confuse with Norwich, who don't have anything to do with the Hull service.
A few points Andrew:
1) The Hull service is being designed as a SEPERATE service from BBC Leeds and Leeds won't have anything to do with the new service when it is up and running. It'll be totally independent - and a good thing too!!!!
2) I think BBC Hull will show different programmes from Close Up North's replacement and North of Westminster. That will make the Belmont TX area a fully fledged region of its own right.
3) I don't think Look East (Hull) will be confused with Look East (Norwich), any more than Look North (Leeds) and Look North (Newcastle). If Look North was chosen for the new programme there would be THREE versions of Look North!! Now THAT would be confusing!!
4) As I have said many times, I think Look East is the best title for the new Hull-based regional news programme on BBC ONE. If you have read my earlier posts in this thread, you'll know why I think Look East should be chosen.
With regard to point 2 - I think it far more likely that the new BBC One regional show (replacing Close Up North) will be common to both Leeds and Hull. It will need to be a polished and well produced multicamera OB magazine programme, rather than a 30 minute single topic documentary. It will be more topical and require far more production (and probably cost more!) - difficult to justify a Leeds/Hull split for a programme of this scale.
I suspect (but don't know for fact I admit) that Leeds/Hull will be treated like Southampton/Tunbridge Wells. Split News, common features.
Tunbridge Wells and Southampton are independent regions - but given the smaller scale of the TW region, and the reduced studio and editing facilities available, it makes sense to share features programmes.
As for point 3. You are advocating 3 Look Easts are you not? Look East (Norwich), Look East (Cambridge) and Look East (Hull)? There is little doubt that Cambridge will split from Norwich at some point in the not to distant future - it does at times already.
Given the alien nature of the Look East brand to most viewers in the present Look North viewing area (apart from TV Forum-ers...) I would imagine the Look North brand having far greater awareness. It would be interesting if Hull chose a more imaginitive name as a few other regions have -- Newsline 6.30, Spotlight and Points West all spring to mind.
JL
JonnyL
David H posted:
Andrew posted:
Bearing in mind that it is BBC North who are developing the Hull service,
and that Close Up North's replacement and North of Westminster will probably still be shown across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire...
I can't see Look East being chosen, as it would confuse with Norwich, who don't have anything to do with the Hull service.
A few points Andrew:
1) The Hull service is being designed as a SEPERATE service from BBC Leeds and Leeds won't have anything to do with the new service when it is up and running. It'll be totally independent - and a good thing too!!!!
2) I think BBC Hull will show different programmes from Close Up North's replacement and North of Westminster. That will make the Belmont TX area a fully fledged region of its own right.
3) I don't think Look East (Hull) will be confused with Look East (Norwich), any more than Look North (Leeds) and Look North (Newcastle). If Look North was chosen for the new programme there would be THREE versions of Look North!! Now THAT would be confusing!!
4) As I have said many times, I think Look East is the best title for the new Hull-based regional news programme on BBC ONE. If you have read my earlier posts in this thread, you'll know why I think Look East should be chosen.
Why do so many people seem to want to name the new programme after an existing one? The ideal solution is to come up with an entirely new name. I know that poses a whole new problem in itself, but surely some overpaid bod at the BBC should be able to come up with something.
Incidentally you can receive the Belmont signal on the South East Fringes of Leeds.
DH
David H
A few points, noggin:
noggin posted:
I think it far more likely that the new BBC One regional show (replacing Close Up North) will be common to both Leeds and Hull. It will need to be a polished and well produced multicamera OB magazine programme, rather than a 30 minute single topic documentary. It will be more topical and require far more production (and probably cost more!) - difficult to justify a Leeds/Hull split for a programme of this scale.
I suspect (but don't know for fact I admit) that Leeds/Hull will be treated like Southampton/Tunbridge Wells. Split News, common features.
Tunbridge Wells and Southampton are independent regions - but given the smaller scale of the TW region, and the reduced studio and editing facilities available, it makes sense to share features programmes.
1) Not necessarily. Hull might make its own current affairs/political programmes, but if not Hull could share its features programmes with Norwich instead of Leeds.
noggin posted:
You are advocating 3 Look Easts are you not? Look East (Norwich), Look East (Cambridge) and Look East (Hull)? There is little doubt that Cambridge will split from Norwich at some point in the not to distant future - it does at times already.
2) No, I'm not. Cambridge is only an opt-out and I think it will remain that way, unless my suggestion to pull down the Sandy Heath transmitter and install replacements near Northampton (Central/East Midlands Today) and near Cambridge (Anglia/BBC Look East (Norwich)) is carried out. Then there would be no need for a Cambridge opt-out, as only Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridgeshire and parts of Essex, Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire would be covered.
noggin posted:
Given the alien nature of the Look East brand to most viewers in the present Look North viewing area (apart from TV Forum-ers...) I would imagine the Look North brand having far greater awareness. It would be interesting if Hull chose a more imaginitive name as a few other regions have -- Newsline 6.30, Spotlight and Points West all spring to mind.
3) I don't think so. I think most people in East Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, North Nottinghamshire and North Norfolk would find Look East a more logical title for the new Hull-based TV region than Look North because all the counties covered (execpt East Yorkshire) aren't really Northern counties. As the area covered includes a large area of the EAST COAST OF ENGLAND, Look East would make perfect sense for the new programme.
1. Unlikely that Hull would move to sharing with the BBC East patch IMHO. The East patch is pretty big already - stretching from Milton Keynes, Luton and Colchester in the South, to Hull in the North would be a bit of a nonsense editorially.
I think Hull will either share with Leeds or split fully. More likely the former than the latter given the higher profile and higher cost of the proposed new BBC One show.
2. Cambridge is currently a sub-opt much of the time, agreed. However increasingly it is fully splitting for much longer from the Norwich programme - as I have mentioned this can often seem invisible, as the same presenters present a DIFFERENT programme on each side (using pre-recorded links for Cambridge) with the central live "sub-opt" section still appearing...
There were very strong rumours that Cambridge was going to fully split from Norwich - to compete more effectively with the fully split Anglia News - but I think these have been put on hold for the short term, whilst Norwich relocates buildings. The Sandy Heath region is huge - and unlikely to change - it deserves a fully split service.
As for dismantling Sandy Heath - transmitters do not get built to serve editorial boundaries - they are there to provide the best signal to as wide an area as possible... It is very unlikely that any radical changes will be made to the analogue transmitter network now - especially with the analogue switch off being much closer than the life of an analogue transmitter.
DH
David H
Now its my turn to address YOUR points:
noggin posted:
David H - a few points to address your points :
1. Unlikely that Hull would move to sharing with the BBC East patch IMHO. The East patch is pretty big already - stretching from Milton Keynes, Luton and Colchester in the South, to Hull in the North would be a bit of a nonsense editorially.
I think Hull will either share with Leeds or split fully. More likely the former than the latter given the higher profile and higher cost of the proposed new BBC One show.
Well if the BBC East (Norwich) patch was reduced to only cover Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridgeshire and most of Essex, it would make more sense if BBC East (Hull) shared with Norwich.
noggin posted:
2. The Sandy Heath region is huge - and unlikely to change - it deserves a fully split service.
As for dismantling Sandy Heath - transmitters do not get built to serve editorial boundaries - they are there to provide the best signal to as wide an area as possible... It is very unlikely that any radical changes will be made to the analogue transmitter network now - especially with the analogue switch off being much closer than the life of an analogue transmitter.
Rubbish!!!! Thanks to the introduction of digital television, I think it is perfectly possible to alter Britain's TV Transmitter network, geography permitting. I think Sandy Heath can be dismantled and replaced by a transmitter near Northampton and one near Cambridge, This way the anomaly of Anglia TV's (and of Look East (Norwich)) presence in Northants can finally be eliminated.
However, North Norfolk is a trickier issue. Increasing the power of the Tacolneston transmitter to cover the North Norfolk coast would interfere with Continental television (in this case Dutch television). Therefore, it is likely that North Norfolk will only be covered by low power relays of Tacolneston (Look East (Norwich)/Anglia) and by the very powerful (500 kw) Belmont transmitter.
That's why I include North Norfolk to be part of the new Hull-based BBC TV Region in my signature and one reason why the news programme should be called Look East. My other reasons can be found in previous posts in this thread.
I think you've miss understood some of the things I was saying. Read it again.
Yes. I do live in Coventry, but this is the place at the very centre of the country. Seems sensible to have a Central region based there, just as the London region is based in London!
hmmm, of course the london region is based in greater london - where else would it be based, north surrey? just because westminster, the city of london or tower hamlets are at the centre of london, doesnt mean all the london based tv stations are there?
M D R posted:
Don't most people in north and east Wales, Shropshire and Staffordshire receive Granada anyway? I know they were/are cated for on the Granada weather maps.
For people in Northampton, for exampe, hearing about Coventry, Leicester, Derby and Birmingham is a lot better than hearing about Shrewsbury, Wrexham, Stoke etc.
Shrops really isn't that 'central'. It could be in its own Granada sub-region, comprising Shropshire, Staffordshire, north and east Wales and Cheshire. These counties and regions have much more in common with each other than any of them do with Coventry, Leicester, or, indeed, Birmingham.
If Lincolnshire wasn't covered by Carlton Central, there would be no point in broadcasting a Central 'East' news service. If Herefordshire, Worcestershire and Gloucestershire were lost to HTV, or Oxfordshire to Meridian, there would be no need for a 'South' region.
I suggest a new look Central News for the real places at the middle of the country (and not places 'in the middle to the west' or 'in the middle but slightly east').
Am I the only one who thinks this is sensible??
ok ive read it again, and still sounds like a half-baked idea, to overcome your deep annoyance at the lack of coventry news on central east and west.
are you honestly saying, that for the majority of central viewers, the current situation, which is
roughly
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so, central would become one of the smallest franchises, they'd have to close nottingham, abingdon and probably birmingham - build a modest studio complex in coventry. a new transmitter would have to be built and maintained somewhere in southwest leicstershire. all the relays outside the new region would have to be altered, plus the possible addition of a few more relays to replace the signals from waltham and sutton.
so, in order to please the viewers in west leicestershire, derbyshire, northamptonshire and coventry, you are suggesting the following:
- 1,000s of job losses from central's existing studio complexes
- a huge cut in the amount of viewers, leading to lower income from advertisers
- spend £10,000s on a new transmitter for the central region, plus the alteration and possible addition of more relays
- cost the neighbouring stations £10,000s in setting up news sub-opts for the new teritory, or base reporters in the region, which would also probably annoy the viewers in the core of their area to hear about midlands news
- it would place stoke on trent and north staffordshire on an overlap between central and granada
- deprive the areas removed, like shropshire and oxfordshire of any hope in getting relevant regional documentary programmes
i could go on and on - i cant believe you seriously think your suggestion would improve the situation. the costs would certainly run into £millions, and wouldnt really have any kind of positive effect for viewers, and i cant see any financial gains for central in the deal either?
