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Not sure when it happened exactly - it's definitely very recent though - but the BBC Food website has been updated with a new look:
Another change actually occurred a few weeks ago, but I've not seen it mentioned here - the BBC News Magazine section homepage has finally been updated to match the look of the rest of the BBC News website; previously, all Magazine article pages carried the new look, but the section homepage was still in the previous style.
By the by, does anyone know when the BBC Sport website will be brought in line with the current News web layout?
Also, given how the global masthead has changed since this image was first shown:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/img/24-nav.jpg
...will the design above simply be updated to exactly match the News style - i.e. the BBC logo in the global masthead, 'SPORT' below it as the section title, and then 'CRICKET' to the right of it, in smaller type (presumably in Gotham, now that's the new Sport font)?
GEL is obviously a work in progress, so not all that's been previously seen will materialise in precisely that form; for example, the BBC News story page layout hasn't turned out quite the way it was previewed almost a year ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/img/15-type.jpg
Personally, I favour the way that related stories and related links are set into a column to the right of the story in the above image; I think that the current arrangement, with lots of big headers, subheadings, vertical lines and coloured containers at the foot of a story is a terrible mess, especially with all the standard Share/Services/About BBC News clutter that's at the bottom of every story page as well.
It would be nice to see more of the major BBC sites move towards GEL soon; I'd certainly like to see the BBC homepage and iPlayer section homepage both take a step closer towards the style previewed in this image:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/img/12-grid.jpg
Oh well - good things come to those who wait, and all that.
Another change actually occurred a few weeks ago, but I've not seen it mentioned here - the BBC News Magazine section homepage has finally been updated to match the look of the rest of the BBC News website; previously, all Magazine article pages carried the new look, but the section homepage was still in the previous style.
By the by, does anyone know when the BBC Sport website will be brought in line with the current News web layout?
Also, given how the global masthead has changed since this image was first shown:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/img/24-nav.jpg
...will the design above simply be updated to exactly match the News style - i.e. the BBC logo in the global masthead, 'SPORT' below it as the section title, and then 'CRICKET' to the right of it, in smaller type (presumably in Gotham, now that's the new Sport font)?
GEL is obviously a work in progress, so not all that's been previously seen will materialise in precisely that form; for example, the BBC News story page layout hasn't turned out quite the way it was previewed almost a year ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/img/15-type.jpg
Personally, I favour the way that related stories and related links are set into a column to the right of the story in the above image; I think that the current arrangement, with lots of big headers, subheadings, vertical lines and coloured containers at the foot of a story is a terrible mess, especially with all the standard Share/Services/About BBC News clutter that's at the bottom of every story page as well.
It would be nice to see more of the major BBC sites move towards GEL soon; I'd certainly like to see the BBC homepage and iPlayer section homepage both take a step closer towards the style previewed in this image:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/img/12-grid.jpg
Oh well - good things come to those who wait, and all that.
JA
I remember that launching around the time of the British Bake Off programme, which bbc.co.uk says was on in August.
Not sure when it happened exactly - it's definitely very recent though - but the BBC Food website has been updated with a new look:
I remember that launching around the time of the British Bake Off programme, which bbc.co.uk says was on in August.
BB
That can't be right - I've visited the Food site a few times since August, and it didn't have a GEL-based layout.
I'm willing to believe that a microsite within Food launched with a GEL design back in August, but I've not seen the main Food site with GEL until today, although it's been a couple of weeks since I last had a look at it.
I also find it hard to believe that they'd still be carrying a "BBC Food has changed" link on the index page, along with a 'feedback and FAQ' page detailing the redesign, if the change had occurred four months ago.
There were certainly GEL/GVL elements in the design of the previous Food site, but this full GEL design was definitely introduced a lot more recently than August.
I remember that launching around the time of the British Bake Off programme, which bbc.co.uk says was on in August.
That can't be right - I've visited the Food site a few times since August, and it didn't have a GEL-based layout.
I'm willing to believe that a microsite within Food launched with a GEL design back in August, but I've not seen the main Food site with GEL until today, although it's been a couple of weeks since I last had a look at it.
I also find it hard to believe that they'd still be carrying a "BBC Food has changed" link on the index page, along with a 'feedback and FAQ' page detailing the redesign, if the change had occurred four months ago.
There were certainly GEL/GVL elements in the design of the previous Food site, but this full GEL design was definitely introduced a lot more recently than August.
AC
I've been waiting a long time, but BBC Afrique, in French, has now been changed into the new format, albeit with a different masthead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/afrique/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/afrique/
JA
You may be right about the strand page launching first, but it was definitely not too recently that the rest caught up. According to Gelled.info, it was some time around 20th September.
That can't be right - I've visited the Food site a few times since August, and it didn't have a GEL-based layout.
I'm willing to believe that a microsite within Food launched with a GEL design back in August, but I've not seen the main Food site with GEL until today, although it's been a couple of weeks since I last had a look at it.
I also find it hard to believe that they'd still be carrying a "BBC Food has changed" link on the index page, along with a 'feedback and FAQ' page detailing the redesign, if the change had occurred four months ago.
There were certainly GEL/GVL elements in the design of the previous Food site, but this full GEL design was definitely introduced a lot more recently than August.
I'm willing to believe that a microsite within Food launched with a GEL design back in August, but I've not seen the main Food site with GEL until today, although it's been a couple of weeks since I last had a look at it.
I also find it hard to believe that they'd still be carrying a "BBC Food has changed" link on the index page, along with a 'feedback and FAQ' page detailing the redesign, if the change had occurred four months ago.
There were certainly GEL/GVL elements in the design of the previous Food site, but this full GEL design was definitely introduced a lot more recently than August.
You may be right about the strand page launching first, but it was definitely not too recently that the rest caught up. According to Gelled.info, it was some time around 20th September.
Last edited by Jamesypoo on 29 December 2010 7:52pm - 2 times in total
BB
Hmmm, well the Gelled.info site itself wasn't launched until mid-October, and the page you link to describes the look as being incomplete, with Verdana and other non-GEL elements being present, but as far as I can see - from index pages to recipes - the site seems about as GEL-compliant as any other GEL site I've seen.
The image on the Gelled.info page that you linked to doesn't quite match the actual Food site either; the way the text is laid out in the carousel/concertina doesn't look quite right on the image, and the links on the horizontal navigation bar are also different to those found on the actual page. I'd guess that the image on the Gelled page is a mock-up of the actual page (perhaps taken from some GEL resources somewhere on the BBC website), and that the text on the page you linked to refers to the previous look, which had many GEL/GVL features, but wasn't fully GEL-compliant by any means, and was peppered with Verdana.
I'm unconvinced that the full Food site launched in its current GEL-based form in September based on the Gelled precis, and based upon my having seen the previous version of the site more recently than September - and three months is still a long time to be going on about the 'new' site.
Anyway, whenever it was launched, I've not previously seen references to the 'new' look for the Food site on here, which is why I thought I'd mention it.
The image on the Gelled.info page that you linked to doesn't quite match the actual Food site either; the way the text is laid out in the carousel/concertina doesn't look quite right on the image, and the links on the horizontal navigation bar are also different to those found on the actual page. I'd guess that the image on the Gelled page is a mock-up of the actual page (perhaps taken from some GEL resources somewhere on the BBC website), and that the text on the page you linked to refers to the previous look, which had many GEL/GVL features, but wasn't fully GEL-compliant by any means, and was peppered with Verdana.
I'm unconvinced that the full Food site launched in its current GEL-based form in September based on the Gelled precis, and based upon my having seen the previous version of the site more recently than September - and three months is still a long time to be going on about the 'new' site.
Anyway, whenever it was launched, I've not previously seen references to the 'new' look for the Food site on here, which is why I thought I'd mention it.
JA
So yes, August it was.
The food website has been updated fairly recently, though not using the newest header: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/
So yes, August it was.
BB
So yes, August it was.
I see. So, not September then. August. Got it.
I remember the header below the global masthead changing back in August, along with the launch of the Food blog, and there being various other changes on the Food homepage (although if I'm honest, I don't remember it being a full GEL update, but I may well be wrong about that), but the Food section as a whole wasn't as feature-complete back then, nor as obviously or comprehensively designed around GEL as a whole, as it is now.
Given the various pieces of information here - the first changes in August; the Gelled summary claiming that the full GEL implementation actually happened in September (which it didn't), and that it's incomplete (which it isn't); the Gelled image not quite matching the actual current Food site; and the fact that I have eyes, they work, and they have been seeing non-GEL elements across the Food site until at least three weeks ago - it seems that GEL has been gradually implemented across chunks of the site since August, but that rollout is now complete.
That's pretty much how other major GEL updates have been implemented as well (e.g. the other example I mentioned in my earlier post of BBC News Magazine article pages in the new style, but the Magazine section index being in the previous style for several months; while section indexes like Country Profiles and In Pictures remain in the previous style, and programme pages such as those for Newswatch and Breakfast are still using a page layout that's been superseded twice now; or Nature UK and Wildlife Finder being deployed in GEL, while the main BBC Nature site appears to still be GVL 2.0).
Thanks for pointing out the Gelled.info site though; that's a nice resource to know about, even if it's not completely accurate.
Anyway, I think they've done a pretty good job with the Food site as a whole; it looks stylish, it's easy to use, it's packed full of features, and it covers a wide range of bases from food programming to recipes and finding out about food in general - it feels like a genuine catch-all resource for food as a whole, rather than just being about 'food on the BBC'. My one criticism is that the Food homepage looks a bit cluttered with so many sub-headers and variously-coloured containers.
Still, thumbs-up.
The food website has been updated fairly recently, though not using the newest header: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/
So yes, August it was.
I see. So, not September then. August. Got it.
I remember the header below the global masthead changing back in August, along with the launch of the Food blog, and there being various other changes on the Food homepage (although if I'm honest, I don't remember it being a full GEL update, but I may well be wrong about that), but the Food section as a whole wasn't as feature-complete back then, nor as obviously or comprehensively designed around GEL as a whole, as it is now.
Given the various pieces of information here - the first changes in August; the Gelled summary claiming that the full GEL implementation actually happened in September (which it didn't), and that it's incomplete (which it isn't); the Gelled image not quite matching the actual current Food site; and the fact that I have eyes, they work, and they have been seeing non-GEL elements across the Food site until at least three weeks ago - it seems that GEL has been gradually implemented across chunks of the site since August, but that rollout is now complete.
That's pretty much how other major GEL updates have been implemented as well (e.g. the other example I mentioned in my earlier post of BBC News Magazine article pages in the new style, but the Magazine section index being in the previous style for several months; while section indexes like Country Profiles and In Pictures remain in the previous style, and programme pages such as those for Newswatch and Breakfast are still using a page layout that's been superseded twice now; or Nature UK and Wildlife Finder being deployed in GEL, while the main BBC Nature site appears to still be GVL 2.0).
Thanks for pointing out the Gelled.info site though; that's a nice resource to know about, even if it's not completely accurate.
Anyway, I think they've done a pretty good job with the Food site as a whole; it looks stylish, it's easy to use, it's packed full of features, and it covers a wide range of bases from food programming to recipes and finding out about food in general - it feels like a genuine catch-all resource for food as a whole, rather than just being about 'food on the BBC'. My one criticism is that the Food homepage looks a bit cluttered with so many sub-headers and variously-coloured containers.
Still, thumbs-up.
BB
Has anyone tried the BBC iPlayer Next Level interactive stuff?
I'm struggling to see the point of it - other than 'look at how cool this is' - but I can't deny there was a part of me that went "ooh" at being able to manipulate floating crystals and menus using a picture of a logo on my phone.
That said, it's not exactly Kinect, is it - and while I'm impressed from a technical perspective by what they've managed to do with a piece of paper, a web browser, Flash and any old webcam, I wonder how impressed your average Joe is going to be given the black magic and witchcraft that Kinect is capable of.
I'm struggling to see the point of it - other than 'look at how cool this is' - but I can't deny there was a part of me that went "ooh" at being able to manipulate floating crystals and menus using a picture of a logo on my phone.
That said, it's not exactly Kinect, is it - and while I'm impressed from a technical perspective by what they've managed to do with a piece of paper, a web browser, Flash and any old webcam, I wonder how impressed your average Joe is going to be given the black magic and witchcraft that Kinect is capable of.
AN
I love that Gelled website - just the sort of thing I like. Really interesting seeing the development of GEL already.
As for Sport, iPlayer et al, I'd really hope they'll bring them in soon but I'm not so sure. I would have thought Sport would have followed shortly after the News redesign, but it just hasn't happened yet for some reason - strange. Also found it odd that the 'new' iPlayer launched without any new GEL touches...
As for Sport, iPlayer et al, I'd really hope they'll bring them in soon but I'm not so sure. I would have thought Sport would have followed shortly after the News redesign, but it just hasn't happened yet for some reason - strange. Also found it odd that the 'new' iPlayer launched without any new GEL touches...