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IS
Inspector Sands
Also I think I'm right in saying that in Australia, TV is based around cities with little in between. Therefore the transmitter configuration doesn't have to take into account neighbouring areas and thus have more frequencies available per city
JE
Jeffmister
I'm currently in Australia and have spent the last few months here, and without being biased I am afraid to say that Aussie Freeview is, well, woeful*.

The reason there are so many 'half' channels on UK Freeview is purely because 1. There are more channels overall and so less space for them all and 2. unlike in Australia, where its basically split between the 5 networks, various different broadcasting entities own Freeview multiplex slots with different contracts and carrier fees and so unless all the multiplex owners co-operate, it would be hard to consolidate them all.

In terms of the choice, Aussie Freeview is pretty bad. You only get an extra channel from each network (or 3 extra from the ABC including the new HD news service) and 1 HD service from each (which, with the exception of Ten and ABC once their news channel launches, is basically a simulcast of the main channel).

When you think that the BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Five, Sky and VMTV each have at least two (or as many as 6/7 in the BBC's case) 24hour slots, with the addition of extra channels from Discovery, QVC and Viacom, you can see why there just isn't space in the spectrum for the extra ones (like CNN) all to run 24/7. In Australia, because there are only 17 television channels (not sure where you got 22 from, unless you included the radio stations) its easier for them all to have 24hour slots.

In its defence, I do believe the Aussie Freeview should be given the allowance to add extra channels from outside the 5 networks and the 1 Community TV slot.


*with the exception of One HD. An HD free-to-air sports channel is just what Freeview UK is missing.

I agree with you about choice, I would like to see more channels besides ABC, Seven, Nine, Ten and SBS and is something that Freeview is lacking. Although One HD does stand out for me too, it does a pretty good job considering it only has one channel to broadcast all their rights on - yet, there's a good mix of sports from Australia and around he world.

I got my 22 channel count as follows, considering I live in Victoria & the list differs slightly in each state:
ABC: ABC1 (Local, VIC), ABC1 (National, NSW), ABC2, ABC3, ABC News 24 (HD channel, launching next week) & 2 'dig music' Radio Stations
Seven: Seven, 7TWO, 7HD
Nine: Nine, GO!, Nine HD,
Ten: Ten, One HD, One Digital (SD simulcast of One HD, expected to be replaced with a general entertainment channel later in the year)
SBS: SBS One, SBS Two, SBS HD & 2 'SBS Radio' Stations
C31 (Community TV)
BR
Brekkie
They both have their issues - Freeview in Australia has been held back by some ridiculous multi-channeling laws which means you now see things like ABC remove their HD simulcast in favour of a HD News channel, because that's the only way they can have a news channel.

On the other hand though Freeview here could have done with some stricter control of the platform to ensure it was quality over content, and to stop channels airing as little as an hour a day and still getting a slot on the EPG - although of course in some cases I is of benefit to split the bandwidth, especially with kids channels.

(BTW, anyone know if Sky Sports 1&2 will be 24 hour?)


And about five years too late, shops officially stop selling analogue TVs:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a239290/uk-retailers-stop-selling-analogue-tvs.html
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member

And about five years too late, shops officially stop selling analogue TVs:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a239290/uk-retailers-stop-selling-analogue-tvs.html


But there's nothing wrong with analogue TVs at all. Providing it has a SCART connection (which all TVs made in the last 10 years or so have) you can connect a Freeview box to it no problem at all. Even a shiny-new HD-Ready TV with the ability to connect everything but the kitchen sink to it is total overkill for a lot of people who only want to watch EastEnders, a few other programmes and the odd-rented DVD from Blockbuster on it. You can get SCART splitters from any decent retailer for £5 if you need to connect multiple devices to a TV with one SCART socket.

But the other issue is, they've been sold. They'll be around in and in use for years to come. Taking them off the market doesn't mean they magically disappear into thin air or stop working.
MI
Michael

And about five years too late, shops officially stop selling analogue TVs:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a239290/uk-retailers-stop-selling-analogue-tvs.html


But there's nothing wrong with analogue TVs at all. Providing it has a SCART connection (which all TVs made in the last 10 years or so have) you can connect a Freeview box to it no problem at all. Even a shiny-new HD-Ready TV with the ability to connect everything but the kitchen sink to it is total overkill for a lot of people who only want to watch EastEnders, a few other programmes and the odd-rented DVD from Blockbuster on it. You can get SCART splitters from any decent retailer for £5 if you need to connect multiple devices to a TV with one SCART socket.

But the other issue is, they've been sold. They'll be around in and in use for years to come. Taking them off the market doesn't mean they magically disappear into thin air or stop working.


There's nothing wrong with Black and White TVs either. They still sold those until recently.
JA
james

And about five years too late, shops officially stop selling analogue TVs:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a239290/uk-retailers-stop-selling-analogue-tvs.html


But there's nothing wrong with analogue TVs at all. Providing it has a SCART connection (which all TVs made in the last 10 years or so have) you can connect a Freeview box to it no problem at all. Even a shiny-new HD-Ready TV with the ability to connect everything but the kitchen sink to it is total overkill for a lot of people who only want to watch EastEnders, a few other programmes and the odd-rented DVD from Blockbuster on it. You can get SCART splitters from any decent retailer for £5 if you need to connect multiple devices to a TV with one SCART socket.

But the other issue is, they've been sold. They'll be around in and in use for years to come. Taking them off the market doesn't mean they magically disappear into thin air or stop working.


There's nothing wrong with Black and White TVs either. They still sold those until recently.


Woolworths used to sell little black and white sets that were great for a small kitchen. Now though we use a digital photo frame with digital tuner.

20 days later

MI
Mike516
New: Channel 43. Gems TV. Teleshopping. 0100-1100, Mux A/SDN.
DV
DVB Cornwall
Ofcom's permission for Top Up TV to market SS1 and 2 was given yesterday .....

LICENSING.OFCOM.ORG.UK/BINARIES

22 days later

MI
Mike516
Sky 3+1, placeholder with EPG only, now on channel 44 (Mux C/Arq A) Retune might be required. Programming starts Monday once SSN is off air.
MA
Maaixuew
Well if analogue televisions are taken off the market, I take it the once thought of 'local' television channels that were meant to be broadcast on analogue once the big five went off will no longer go ahead? I had heard rumours going around that local television channels would be broadcast across the UK, run by volunteers in small villages and so forth.
BE
Ben Founding member
Well if analogue televisions are taken off the market, I take it the once thought of 'local' television channels that were meant to be broadcast on analogue once the big five went off will no longer go ahead? I had heard rumours going around that local television channels would be broadcast across the UK, run by volunteers in small villages and so forth.


They're still messing about the ideas, Channel M has a Freeview mux, but from what I hear it is pretty weak and only realistically reaches a small part of the audience.
NW
nwtv2003
Ben posted:
Well if analogue televisions are taken off the market, I take it the once thought of 'local' television channels that were meant to be broadcast on analogue once the big five went off will no longer go ahead? I had heard rumours going around that local television channels would be broadcast across the UK, run by volunteers in small villages and so forth.


They're still messing about the ideas, Channel M has a Freeview mux, but from what I hear it is pretty weak and only realistically reaches a small part of the audience.


Basically the signal covers most of Manchester and that's it, although I think when Central completes Switch over next year the MUX that carries ITV4, Film4 etc gets boosted and I think the Local MUX does too.

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