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HA
harshy Founding member
RR posted:
sky sports test cricket coverage is so boring, and there's no clear feed of this, so every other broadcaster has to use their dirty feed.
What makes you say this? Five seem to use a clean feed for their programmes.


except for sunset and vine, they have their own pres trunk with sky feeding them clean pics! Wink
HA
harshy Founding member
sky sports test cricket coverage is so boring, and there's no clear feed of this, so every other broadcaster has to use their dirty feed.


In the same way that Sky have to use the dirty feed of Channel 9'S cricket coverage of Australian home tests*
In the same way that Sky have to use the dirty feed of SABC's coverage of South African home tests*
In the same way that Sky have to use the dirty feed of Numbus coverage of Indian home tests*

Putting out dirty feeds of matches is not unique.

And Sky Sports cricket coverage is not 'boring' (the actual game to you may be, but not the tv coverage)compared to the BBC and even Channel 4's coverage, Sky is miles better
* - not involving England


the technology is excellent, the graphics are excellent, but the five commentry team I rather prefer!
NG
noggin Founding member
Meant to bring this up last weekend but rather than taking the Eurovision thread off topic though I'd mention here about the BBC had full width lower fifth graphics on the golf last weekend for data supplied by Genworth Financial Statistics - rather than something the size of the IBM logo which we're used to seeing. It was brief with the logo fading quickly to reveal the stats, but surprised the BBC allowed such a thing.

I assume it's a regular thing on the European PGA Golf, but as the BBC were using their own graphics for the tournament I'd have thought they'd have either done a bodge job in trying to hide it or generated their own version with a logo more the size we're used to seeing.

I only saw the interactive coverage so don't know if this was used on the main coverage on BBC1/2, but it did seem very commercial for the BBC.


If the sponsored data is supplied as part of the host feed, and the data is independent of the TV coverage (i.e. is being provided for the event not just the telly) - then the BBC may be obliged to keep the logo present - just as they are with the IBM logo at Wimbledon. I don't think there is any legislation about size of logo.

I think the issue with sponsor logos is whether the sponsorship is funding aspects of the TV coverage (which the BBC would have issues with) or the event (which is less of an issue).
BR
Brekkie
I think for those that can see it on Sky cricket is just non stop now. England have gone from their Winter Test series to the T20 World Cup to the summer test series in the space of a month - and I expect there will be something in the schedule between the end of the summer tests and beginning of The Ashes too. And Sky Sports cover the lot - perhaps they're even bored of it now.


I think this is partly why Channel 4's coverage was so good. They came back refreshed and reinvigorated each summer, making hugely innovative coverage. The same is true of Five now, who make the perfect highlights package, mixing features, analysis, the story of the day and all the main action, to the right balance. This was something that Sunset + Vine never got right with C4 (I remember their highlights being quite good in 1999, but the narrative style took over in 2000 and gradually became the Mark Nicholas Show). The other thing that I like about Five is that they are willing to talk about all cricket stories that come up and should be talked about, not just the England games that they have the rights to. You could imagine C4 ignoring the World T20 victory completely, and not mentioning the county matchfixing story. Even though Five have only 45 minutes to play with, they managed to fit all of these in. I just wish that they would pull their finger out and bid for some winter highlights too.

Well the Five team is basically the old C4 team - so not a huge change in direction, and I'm sure those issues would have been covered over the coverage - I don't remember C4's coverage being confined to just what was happening in the games they showed.

I agree with what you say though about C4 coming back fresh every year - and giving Sky a few weeks away from live coverage (though they still had highlights) to regroup - and of course with two companies providing coverage, they were always trying to outdo each other with innovation - another reason why Sky's monopoly of coverage is not in the interest of cricket.
MA
madmusician
I think for those that can see it on Sky cricket is just non stop now. England have gone from their Winter Test series to the T20 World Cup to the summer test series in the space of a month - and I expect there will be something in the schedule between the end of the summer tests and beginning of The Ashes too. And Sky Sports cover the lot - perhaps they're even bored of it now.


I think this is partly why Channel 4's coverage was so good. They came back refreshed and reinvigorated each summer, making hugely innovative coverage. The same is true of Five now, who make the perfect highlights package, mixing features, analysis, the story of the day and all the main action, to the right balance. This was something that Sunset + Vine never got right with C4 (I remember their highlights being quite good in 1999, but the narrative style took over in 2000 and gradually became the Mark Nicholas Show). The other thing that I like about Five is that they are willing to talk about all cricket stories that come up and should be talked about, not just the England games that they have the rights to. You could imagine C4 ignoring the World T20 victory completely, and not mentioning the county matchfixing story. Even though Five have only 45 minutes to play with, they managed to fit all of these in. I just wish that they would pull their finger out and bid for some winter highlights too.

Well the Five team is basically the old C4 team - so not a huge change in direction, and I'm sure those issues would have been covered over the coverage - I don't remember C4's coverage being confined to just what was happening in the games they showed.


Fair enough on that point, but I certainly feel that highlights were the poor relation on C4. Mark Nicholas couldn't be fronting live links and recording highlights ones at the same time, so they dealt with that issue with the silly voice-over linking it all together, meaning that there were more slow motion replays than actual cricket, and events were shown in the wrong order. IIRC, the BBC got over that issue by having different presenters for the highlights and live stuff at the end of their time (Tony Lewis for live, Richie Benaud for highlights), and Sky have a separate team doing highlights for them now. Obviously I can't blame C4 for not putting up the finances for another method, or Sunset + Vine for having to do them that way, but I think that it's pretty clear that their highlights for Five are so much better, just because it's the main focus. Comparing the 2005 and 2009 Ashes DVDs confirms that for me straight away.

Incidentally, while we're discussing cricket coverage, I stumbled on this (http://vimeo.com/7951226) the other day. Was it ever used on air (I can't remember it), or was it just a conceptual thing? (I realise that many of the shots were used in the first set of titles that I remember, but some I think were not, and the editing is subtly different.)
RR
RR
I think one of the problems for the C4 highlights in later years is that they were on straight after the live programme, and used as a buffer for overruns.
BR
Brekkie
The highlights were always a problem - the commitment to run them in prime time didn't last long, and as was said above it's easier to make a highlights programme when you haven't got to produce the live coverage too.

A shame really the cricket went before More4 arrived because I'm sure More4 would have been used in future years for not just the clashes with racing, but probably a way to keep the highlights after midnight on C4 by having them in primetime on More4.
DV
DVB Cornwall
.... and so Murray vision takes over, BBC TWO are now showing RG 4th Round, in addition to Red Button coverage.
GE
Gareth E
Tonight is a prime example of how this crashing into schedules to show tennis matches can get a little messy . . . when the heavens opened, BBC Two left to return to normal programming at 7.10pm. However the Murray match has now resumed, so I wonder if BBC Two will return to coverage at 8pm? Murray is now two sets down, so there is a chance the match could be finished tonight . . .

EDIT: No is the answer . . . so after following the match for an hour and a half, its now back on the Red Button only.
Last edited by Gareth E on 30 May 2010 8:09pm
DV
DVB Cornwall
... no more interruptions needed Murray out.
GE
Gareth E
A little snippet of equestrian news - Sky Sports have picked up the rights to show Hickstead's Derby show jumping meeting from the BBC, to add to the Royal International Horse Show which they poached a few years ago.

Just another example of the BBC's dwindling commitment to less mainstream sports in this post-Grandstand era.
DV
DVB Cornwall
.......... meanwhile on Radio, another big blow to the BBC,

TalkSport snares 2011 Rugby World Cup radio rights

Station to air live commentary of 48 matches from New Zealand next September, breaking BBC's previous monopoly on event

TalkSport has swiped the exclusive commentary rights to next year's rugby union World Cup from the BBC, breaking the corporation's monopoly of live coverage of the tournament, first held in 1987.

The national talk radio station has secured the live broadcast rights to the 2011 Rugby World Cup, which is being hosted by New Zealand.

TalkSport will air live commentary of the 48 matches of the World Cup, which due to time zone differences will be broadcast early in the morning to UK audiences.

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