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ITV, of course, has to be careful. It cannot advertise the availability of ITV1 in the STV region.


I was thinking about that when reading this thread the other day, but what would the possibilty be for ITV to put either ITV1 Tyne Tees & Border or ITV1 London on DTT in Scotland? ITV Plc owns the space to these slots after STV and UTV sold them off sometime ago.

I give it to STV for having a go at some more local programmes and opt out's the schedule, but Scottish viewers shouldn't be deprived of the rest of ITV1 especially programmes like The Bill.


We aren't deprived of The Bill as we have the option of watching it on ITV1 or ITV 3 for Freeview viewers.


Erm.....not all can get freeview!!


The majority will have Freeview, cable or satellite, and everyone will need a digibox of some kind within the next 2 years.
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With in the next year would it not be? central goes over in 2010?
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It's up to 2012 and I think northern Scotland is then.
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aberdeenboy
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Last edited by aberdeenboy on 4 December 2009 9:45am
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Andrew Founding member
According to another forum, The Greatest Scot got 257,000 viewers last night (13%). Beaten by BBC1 Scotland and Five.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8356969.stm

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STV has called for radical reform in the way the ITV network is run as the row over its decision to drop shows like The Bill and Doc Martin continues.

The company wants a new commercial deal with ITV which would allow it to buy only the programmes it wants, leaving it completely free to drop the rest.

ITV, which runs the ITV1 channel in England, Wales and the Borders, is suing STV for a headline total of £38m.

ITV claims STV still has to pay for programmes it has dropped.

Retuning

STV has strongly denied this and said it believes it has the right to opt out and not pay.

The broadcaster intends to countersue for £35m over money which it claims it is owed by the larger company. It is expected to lodge legal papers shortly.

STV chief executive Rob Woodward told the industry magazine Broadcast he wanted to see a complete overhaul of the current networking arrangements to bring STV in line with the Dublin-based channel TV3, which enjoys a "straightforward commercial relationship" with ITV.
Rob Woodward
Rob Woodward wants to follow the example of Dublin based TV3

TV3 is not part of the ITV network but shows some of the channel's most popular programmes on purely commercial terms.

Mr Woodward said: "TV3 buys access to the ITV1 schedule, it can schedule as it wants, it can weave in its own programming or acquired programming - that to me looks like a productive template.

"We need to have a more straightforward way of working which, at the same time, would address some of the tensions within the current structure."

Meanwhile, an analysis of recent viewing figures cast doubt on claims that the majority of Scots are missing out because of STV's scheduling decisions.

The analysis suggested many fans of programmes like The Bill and Doc Martin are simply bypassing STV and tuning in to their favourite shows by switching to ITV1 London.

Viewers with satellite and cable tv - around 60% of Scots - can choose between STV and ITV1 London. However, people with Freeview and the small minority of viewers who still rely on analogue television cannot.

'Significant sums'

The research suggested that more than 100,000 people in the STV region are watching Doc Martin - which stars Martin Clunes - on ITV1 London. The comedy Benidorm and The Bill seemed to have proved even more popular with more than 130,000 viewers each.

These figures suggest that viewers have learnt for themselves that they can choose between STV and ITV1 as they would choose between any other competing channels.

However, industry experts stressed that the fact some people are watching ITV1 London instead of STV is not in itself bad news for STV - what really matters is the number of people watching STV, which social and economic groups they come from and the cost of STV's own programmes.
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The Bill is one of ITV's best rated programmes

The programmes which STV has screened in place of the network dramas have had mixed results in ratings terms: some won STV a bigger audience than it might otherwise have expected, some got roughly the same number of viewers and some have flopped.

An ITV spokesman said: "We would warmly welcome a relationship with STV that mirrors our relationship with TV3 in Ireland. The existing networking arrangements simply weren't designed for a network 92% owned by one company.

"Either STV is in the ITV Network, benefitting from - in effect - a 'volume discount' for taking the schedule, or it isn't part of the ITV Network and therefore pays a market rate for those programmes it wants to carry - just like TV3.

"Quite apart from it having no legal basis, STV's opt-out strategy attempts to get the full benefits of being a member of the Network without carrying its fair share of the financial obligations. The TV3 model is a sensible suggestion from STV.

The spokesman added: "ITV will continue to seek payment for the significant sums owing from STV."
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The research suggested that more than 100,000 people in the STV region are watching Doc Martin - which stars Martin Clunes - on ITV1 London. The comedy Benidorm and The Bill seemed to have proved even more popular with more than 130,000 viewers each.


Those firgue are still LOWER than what STV is getting now! and if there only dare hard fans, then what are the chance other will care?
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I think that model would work. TV3 opts into ITV's network to show programmes like Emmerdale and Corrie simulcast with ITV.
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Gavin Scott Founding member
Indeed... all that's needed is openness about the fact we're all free to choose.

The past few nights have brought viewers in Scotland with satellite or cable an extra choice - The Greatest Scot OR Collision.

We just need to be open about the fact that ITV1 is available here - rather than continue with this somewhat clandestine way of finding it on 993 on what was originally meant to be a way of accessing a service for the blind - and look at an eventual solution for Freeview.

There is room for both STV and ITV1 to be available in Scotland as long as the "divorce" of the two is handled gradually, amicably and sensibly. And no reason why STV could not be on Channel 3 with ITV1 in a different position on the EPG.


Well no, just a second.

Sky's regional alternatives and cable's audio description channels (which happen to be the London versions) are there for those reasons.

Now I make use of them myself from time to time (including watching Newsnight London rather than the Scottish version) - but they are anomalous perks of the particular delivery systems.

If you want ITV`1 and STV to be made side-by-side on the EPG, that's something different.

STV is the channel 3 licence holder. They bid, they won - fair and square.

You can't simply allow another regional licence holder to sit on your patch, showing 85% of the same material at the same time. That's completely bogus, and utterly unfair.

If ITV give up their licence and become just another EPG player then that's their choice - but they absolutely don't have the right to usurp someone else's franchise, diluting that audience.

The 800s and 900s is where the alternatives should be kept - otherwise you're gerrymandering.
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I don't know if that is what is being suggested. STV would still be Scotland's channel 3 licencee and ITV England's. If ITV was advertised more openly in Scotland or moved up the EPG, then, effectively, they could be showing the same programmes at the same time. That would be silly.
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Beat me to it Lol

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