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CH
Chie
but ITV is still Crap, what apart from some so called high class drama, what else is there?


Coronation Street
Emmerdale
The Bill
The X Factor
Britain's Got Talent
I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!
Who Wants To Be a Millionaire?
The Cube (5 million viewers)
Midsomer Murders
This Morning
Loose Women (both better than what the other channels offer during daytime)
Harry Hill's TV Burp
You've Been Framed
The South Bank Show
ITV Dramas
A better range of Films than other terrestrial broadcasters.

You probably just aren't the intended audience for most of ITV1's output. If you were younger, older, female or had kids, you might see ITV1 differently.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Chie posted:


Coronation Street - Shown on STV
Emmerdale - Shown on STV
The Bill - NOT SHOWN
The X Factor - Shown on STV
Britain's Got Talent - Shown on STV
I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! - Shown on STV
Who Wants To Be a Millionaire? - Shown on STV
The Cube (5 million viewers) - Shown on STV
Midsomer Murders - NOT SHOWN
This Morning - Shown on STV
Loose Women (both better than what the other channels offer during daytime) - Shown on STV
Harry Hill's TV Burp - Shown on STV
You've Been Framed - Shown on STV
The South Bank Show - Shown on STV
ITV Dramas - which ones?
A better range of Films than other terrestrial broadcasters - Shown on STV


All bar two of your own personal favourites are shown on STV.

You say "ITV dramas" - but you need to be a bit more specific, as I not even the biggest ITV fan loves all of their drama output.
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A former member
And where are the classic chessy gameshow, ( I don't mean the crap like lets open a rope to see the prizes)

there are also a few other lose gems of ITV which are no where to be seen, also your been framed along with WWTBM is being dated and tried.

South bank show will be gone for ever within a year!
DM
Doc Marshall
I wonder how many people will be doing what I did on Sunday and watch Doc Martin with my tea and biccies as it was broadcast at 9pm no problem even though I live in the STV region? I subscribe to Virgin cable and, as with Sky, you can get the London BBC and ITV channels (ITV's about channel 853 I think on Virgin) so circumventing the STV decision not to air it. You can do the same via ITV player on the net of course and anyone with fairly basic Virgin or Sky catch up on demand services will see Doc Martin appear there too.

DM
CH
Chie
All bar two of your own personal favourites are shown on STV.

You say "ITV dramas" - but you need to be a bit more specific, as I not even the biggest ITV fan loves all of their drama output.


They're not all my personal favourites, but they are very popular. I can't stand Midsomer Murders, The Bill and You've Been Framed personally, and The South Bank Show is on at an awkward time for me, although the episodes I've seen of it were very good.

Different ITV dramas are popular with different people.

The fact is that ITV1 isn't for yuppies or young geeks, so this is probably why there's so much vitriol against ITV1 coming from those demographics. The channel caters mainly for families who live outside the south east of England, and middle-aged and older people. If you're not one of them, then there's other channels out there for you.
Last edited by Chie on 23 September 2009 4:04pm
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
I wonder how many people will be doing what I did on Sunday and watch Doc Martin with my tea and biccies as it was broadcast at 9pm no problem even though I live in the STV region? I subscribe to Virgin cable and, as with Sky, you can get the London BBC and ITV channels (ITV's about channel 853 I think on Virgin) so circumventing the STV decision not to air it. You can do the same via ITV player on the net of course and anyone with fairly basic Virgin or Sky catch up on demand services will see Doc Martin appear there too.

DM


Yes doc, this possibility has been mentioned many times in this thread.

I'm sure Virgin have a way to measure who is watching what in geographic areas (or perhaps they cannot - little help anyone?), but I suspect, as I said just a few posts back, that it would be measured in the couple-of-thousands.
DM
Doc Marshall
Thanks for bringing me up to speed Gavin. Yes, it would be interesting to find out how the different platforms record viewing and to see, where figures are collated, how accessible they are both to the paying subscribers to such information and publicly. As switch-off approaches, the interested companies will presumably be trying to find out who discovers different ways of watching and also presumably the Scottish Govt will be factoring this into their ideas about localisation. I teach undergraduate students and last year when I asked the class how many of them watched television dramas on TV as they were broadcast the answer was none (they view online players or 'box-set' downloads). Very few of them actually owned a TV set or had one in the house; clearly they are a part of the younger generation of viewers and so aren't yet representative - I'll try to gather some more info on this topic through the year.

DM
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Thanks for bringing me up to speed Gavin. Yes, it would be interesting to find out how the different platforms record viewing and to see, where figures are collated, how accessible they are both to the paying subscribers to such information and publicly. As switch-off approaches, the interested companies will presumably be trying to find out who discovers different ways of watching and also presumably the Scottish Govt will be factoring this into their ideas about localisation. I teach undergraduate students and last year when I asked the class how many of them watched television dramas on TV as they were broadcast the answer was none (they view online players or 'box-set' downloads). Very few of them actually owned a TV set or had one in the house; clearly they are a part of the younger generation of viewers and so aren't yet representative - I'll try to gather some more info on this topic through the year.

DM


I would be fascinated to hear those views. As internet savvy as the more mature viewers undoubtedly are, our culture still follows linear broadcasting - albeit taking advantage of "catch up" services. For me I still tend to watch as-broadcast where possible.

Interesting piece on the BBC today.

Quote:
Users of the BBC iPlayer should be charged "micro payments" to use the online catch-up service said Lorraine Heggessey, chief executive of TV production company Talkback Thames.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270663.stm

Figures mooted were "up to £2 for certain shows". That to me seems absolutely ludicrous. One can only imagine how much that would add up to over the course of a month.

I wonder how that would sit with your students!
NG
noggin Founding member
I wonder how many people will be doing what I did on Sunday and watch Doc Martin with my tea and biccies as it was broadcast at 9pm no problem even though I live in the STV region? I subscribe to Virgin cable and, as with Sky, you can get the London BBC and ITV channels (ITV's about channel 853 I think on Virgin) so circumventing the STV decision not to air it. You can do the same via ITV player on the net of course and anyone with fairly basic Virgin or Sky catch up on demand services will see Doc Martin appear there too.

DM


I suspect quite a free viewers with Freesat boxes will be switching to a non-STV postcode... And those who want ITV HD will have already...
JO
Joe
Thankfully Gavin, I imagine there would be uproar were the BBC to do so.
JO
Johnny83
Chie posted:
All bar two of your own personal favourites are shown on STV.

You say "ITV dramas" - but you need to be a bit more specific, as I not even the biggest ITV fan loves all of their drama output.


They're not all my personal favourites, but they are very popular. I can't stand Midsomer Murders, The Bill and You've Been Framed personally, and The South Bank Show is on at an awkward time for me, although the episodes I've seen of it were very good.

Different ITV dramas are popular with different people.

The fact is that ITV1 isn't for yuppies or young geeks, so this is probably why there's so much vitriol against ITV1 coming from those demographics. The channel caters mainly for families who live outside the south east of England, and middle-aged and older people . If you're not one of them, then there's other channels out there for you.


My Dad is 60 & he says ITV 1 is full of crap, ITV 3, on the other hand, he likes.
SO
SOL
Thanks for bringing me up to speed Gavin. Yes, it would be interesting to find out how the different platforms record viewing and to see, where figures are collated, how accessible they are both to the paying subscribers to such information and publicly. As switch-off approaches, the interested companies will presumably be trying to find out who discovers different ways of watching and also presumably the Scottish Govt will be factoring this into their ideas about localisation. I teach undergraduate students and last year when I asked the class how many of them watched television dramas on TV as they were broadcast the answer was none (they view online players or 'box-set' downloads). Very few of them actually owned a TV set or had one in the house; clearly they are a part of the younger generation of viewers and so aren't yet representative - I'll try to gather some more info on this topic through the year.

DM


I would be fascinated to hear those views. As internet savvy as the more mature viewers undoubtedly are, our culture still follows linear broadcasting - albeit taking advantage of "catch up" services. For me I still tend to watch as-broadcast where possible.

Interesting piece on the BBC today.

Quote:
Users of the BBC iPlayer should be charged "micro payments" to use the online catch-up service said Lorraine Heggessey, chief executive of TV production company Talkback Thames.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270663.stm

Figures mooted were "up to £2 for certain shows". That to me seems absolutely ludicrous. One can only imagine how much that would add up to over the course of a month.

I wonder how that would sit with your students!


I can back you up there as I'm a student who prefers to watch live TV and so do my flatmates.

Doc Marshall, I don't think VM and Sky etc can actually collect and publish data such as viewing figures as it would be in breach of the DPA.

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