The adverts seemed to have failed just then, although not in other regions -- giving Wales a chance to hear that *appalling* music for several minutes, before cutting to a couple of ads.
The adverts seemed to have failed just then, although not in other regions -- giving Wales a chance to hear that *appalling* music for several minutes, before cutting to a couple of ads.
I wonder what happened? I also saw this and hear that annoying supermarket like music - you thought there would be some generic extended ident music they could play instead of that rubbish!
Strange that we saw the last couple of seconds of a commercial before going back to Dial A Date
I wonder if the problem was that because Dial A Date was in Cardiff meant that HTV Wales were broadcasting it to the network and forgot about their own commercials?
The adverts seemed to have failed just then, although not in other regions -- giving Wales a chance to hear that *appalling* music for several minutes, before cutting to a couple of ads.
I wonder what happened? I also saw this and hear that annoying supermarket like music - you thought there would be some generic extended ident music they could play instead of that rubbish!
Strange that we saw the last couple of seconds of a commercial before going back to Dial A Date
I wonder if the problem was that because Dial A Date was in Cardiff meant that HTV Wales were broadcasting it to the network and forgot about their own commercials?
No it would've come from London -- HTV's ads almost certainly just cocked up. It's a long ad break in between Dial-a-Date [which, of course, *cough*, we weren't watching... LOL, I think it's funny], and for the returning drinkers there are around 5 mins of ads to see -- HTV seemed to have failed with their ads, since I checked a few other regions, and all had their ads going through. When the 2 final ads did come through it was very choppy and pixelly and green.
That music was awful you're right -- at least when GMTV fails [again, often on HTV Wales ], they play the full 1993 version of the GMTV theme.
Those ads would've been the last under the control of HTV though wouldn't they, so perhaps whoever controls it fell asleep or went home early! The next programme was the first to be within ITV Night Time.
Later on in the night, when there often aren't any ads in some regions, they just show the same old PIFs all the time -- coastguards, fire, electric blanket, syphilis..
I just wondered if this sort of thing happened in the daytime, would there be an ITV1 Wales breakdown caption? Then again, technically that ad break was in HTV time, so I guess there isn't. I wonder what UTV and Scottish/Grampian would show in similar circumstances, since although they're generic now, they're *meant to be* insulated from the ITV brand.
Here's another pic as well -- from one of my tapes, showing Charlie presenting the weather on HTV. So I have captures of Lorna, Jo and Dilwyn presenting the weather -- as I recall they were the presenters, but I don't remember Charlie doing it also before the Carlton take over.
Not very good quality as it comes from a bad tape, the worst in fact, but I date this as being the last week of May 2001, since a bit after it is coverage from BBC/BBC Wales/HTV/S4C~ of the 2001 Election, which was 7th June. Either way it's before July when Carlton took over HTV.
So did the Welsh weather come from Birmingham before July 2001 then? I thought the forecasts from Birmingham didn't start until January 2002 even. I can't see Charlie going to Cardiff, and it's not as if Central had the same graphics as HTV then.
[Oh, and is it just me, or is putting [1.] and [2.] to tell Welsh people which day to look at first -- even not revealing Friday's until she's told you about Thursday's -- just a *touch* patronising?]
Here's another pic as well -- from one of my tapes, showing Charlie presenting the weather on HTV. So I have captures of Lorna, Jo and Dilwyn presenting the weather -- as I recall they were the presenters, but I don't remember Charlie doing it also before the Carlton take over.
Not very good quality as it comes from a bad tape, the worst in fact, but I date this as being the last week of May 2001, since a bit after it is coverage from BBC/BBC Wales/HTV/S4C~ of the 2001 Election, which was 7th June. Either way it's before July when Carlton took over HTV.
So did the Welsh weather come from Birmingham before July 2001 then? I thought the forecasts from Birmingham didn't start until January 2002 even. I can't see Charlie going to Cardiff, and it's not as if Central had the same graphics as HTV then.
[Oh, and is it just me, or is putting [1.] and [2.] to tell Welsh people which day to look at first -- even not revealing Friday's until she's told you about Thursday's -- just a *touch* patronising?]
Yes Charlie and Emma certainly did the weather on both HTV West and Wales during 2001 but only during the weekends. During the week it was Lorna/Dillwyn on Wales and Jo on West.
Then in Jan 2002 Dillwyn/Lorna left and we got Charlie, Emma Jesson and Jo Rice all the time and then James and Ruth started around March 2002 and we've seen less and less of Charlie and Emma during the week, only really getting them on the weekends now.
So maybe the weekend weather always comes from Brum even before the Carltonization? I think it did because West/Wales/Central have always had the same presenter at w/ends
Do you have any caps of Jo Rice doing the weather during 2002? She certainly presented it on HTV West and Wales one weekend shortly before the end of 2002 but hasnt been seen since.
Yes Charlie and Emma certainly did the weather on both HTV West and Wales during 2001 but only during the weekends. During the week it was Lorna/Dillwyn on Wales and Jo on West.
Yes I know all that, that Charlie and Emma did the weather in 2001 -- but only after July, when Carlton took HTV over. This comes from May 2001, when HTV was still part of United News & Media, with Anglia and Meridian. Moreover, this weather forecast seems to be on a Tuesday -- hence the outlook for the 2 days after tomorrow being Thursday and Friday.
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So maybe the weekend weather always comes from Brum even before the Carltonization? I think it did because West/Wales/Central have always had the same presenter at w/ends
I can't see why it would though since in May 2001, HTV had nothing to do with Brum! Most intriguing.. What do you mean the same presenter at weekends? You mean before July 2001? Why would HTV Wales/West have anything to do with Carlton Central before that?
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Do you have any caps of Jo Rice doing the weather during 2002? She certainly presented it on HTV West and Wales one weekend shortly before the end of 2002 but hasnt been seen since.
No I'm afraid I don't, I know I saw her during the summer of 2002 last, but no captures of it.
Maybe they were short staffed then and brought Charlie in to record a forcast in May then? I cant say I noticed her during the week until 2002 - she just did the weekends in 2001.
Did Lorna and Dillwyn's forcasts come from Brum or Cardiff between July-December 2001?
It all comes from Brum now - obviously James isnt Welsh at all, probably lives in Brum and Ruth has to travel up there to do the weather.
And I mean all three regions (Wales, Central and HTV West) all get the same weather presenter at the weekends - the reason is so they dont have to bring 2 people in at the weekends. So I guess we will never see Ruth at the weekend as she doesnt do Central or West does she.
Maybe they were short staffed then and brought Charlie in to record a forcast in May then? I cant say I noticed her during the week until 2002 - she just did the weekends in 2001.
Mmm, possibly. But the question still remains -- why did HTV ask a Central forecaster [totally unconnected stations at that point] to do a forecast? And in fairness HTV had 3 forecasters of their own, Dilwyn, Lorna and Emma Hignett, so they shouldn't have needed help!
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Did Lorna and Dillwyn's forcasts come from Brum or Cardiff between July-December 2001?
No, because nothing changed pres-wise then -- it was still the HTV green/blue/orange/yellow style with Dilwyn, Emma Hignett and Lorna in Cardiff too. The generic Carlton weather began only in Jan 2002, with HTV [both] dropping their own style for Carlton's. All that happened in July 2001 was the adoption of the Carlton idents into the 'HTV', rather than the GMG/UN&M Hearts, and the Duty Office address moved to Brum. The Hearts HTV advertisers' advert stayed in the Hearts style until Summer 2002!
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It all comes from Brum now - obviously James isnt Welsh at all, probably lives in Brum and Ruth has to travel up there to do the weather.
He probably is Welsh, just doesn't have an accent. It's not like James and Ruth are used together, like one day on one day off. It's either a Ruth week [mainly] or a James week [mainly], so I think they would therefore take it in turns to have their shift and go up to Brum. I hope this continues, since it is nice to have 'HTV' forecasters on what is essentially Carlton Weather. Only the title *ought* to change to Wales Weather.
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And I mean all three regions (Wales, Central and HTV West) all get the same weather presenter at the weekends - the reason is so they dont have to bring 2 people in at the weekends. So I guess we will never see Ruth at the weekend as she doesnt do Central or West does she.
Oh right, yeah -- now. The same presenter does all the regions [and Central isn't split into 3] on weekends now. I thought you meant before July 2001 -- of course then it was 3 separate presenters for Wales, West and Central, which puzzles me as to why a Central presenter is doing a weekday forecast on HTV Wales in May 2001..
And no Ruth won't be seen on weekends by that reasoning I guess, just the 2 Carlton presenters. Begs the question that, if 2 presenters can't cope at HTV, and Emma and Charlie need to help out at times -- therefore surely 2 presenters can't cope at Central all the time, so would logically sometimes need help from James and Ruth. They only rarely call on help though, and it would almost certainly be James they'd ask.
Well to be fair to Ruth Wignell she does present the news a couple of days (Listen to me sticking up for our Ruth here!) - God knows what James does, perhaps he has another job. I cant say I watch HTV West much but I have seen him on the very odd occasion do HTV West (and I am aware he does Central too on occasions but as I only have the 2 HTV regions I cant confirm this)
I understand up until Mid 2001 the presenters were
HTV Wales - Lorna and Dillwyn (weekdays) Emma Hignett (Weekends)
HTV West - Jo Rice (Weekdays) and Emma Hignett (Weekends)
Central - Charlie and Emma all week with Su Evans for help
And Dillwyn/Lorna both used to turn up on HTV West occasionally and once or twice Jo did Wales.
So was Jo Rice based in Bristol and Emma Hignett in Cardiff? Emma used to do West and Wales at the weekends so ive never been clear whether she was West or Wales?
], they play the full 1993 version of the GMTV theme.
