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For goodness sake, this man is doing a job. We may think that he made a mistake, but there's a difference being able to watch frame by frame replays of the incident and having to make an on the spot decision there and then.
They do a difficult job, and I don't see why the man should have to take abuse from a selection of moronic individuals on his website simply because it happened to be a decision this time that went against us.
If it had been the other way around, would we really of cared, of course not. We were beaten, take it on the chin, move on.
Square Eyes
Founding member
DialUpBorg posted:
I went to the urs meier (the referee as it said on itv news) website, and got this online translator, and typed in english into german then sent it in the "Feedback" section.
Im so angry that he made that decsion and other referees agree as well.
Im so angry that he made that decsion and other referees agree as well.
For goodness sake, this man is doing a job. We may think that he made a mistake, but there's a difference being able to watch frame by frame replays of the incident and having to make an on the spot decision there and then.
They do a difficult job, and I don't see why the man should have to take abuse from a selection of moronic individuals on his website simply because it happened to be a decision this time that went against us.
If it had been the other way around, would we really of cared, of course not. We were beaten, take it on the chin, move on.
UB
The last message clearly
not
from a real football fan.
How many games have you actually been to, Square Eyes?
The standard of refereeing is abysmal at times, and it's time something should be done about it.
The lino got it right, perhaps Urs should have actually bothered to speak to him before he ruled the goal out.
How many games have you actually been to, Square Eyes?
The standard of refereeing is abysmal at times, and it's time something should be done about it.
The lino got it right, perhaps Urs should have actually bothered to speak to him before he ruled the goal out.
SE
Well if being a football fan is about being moronic and abusive to a referee doing a job then yes, I'm not a football fan.
No wonder the English don't particularly endear themselves to any other European nation.
Square Eyes
Founding member
Uncle Bruce posted:
The last message clearly
not
from a real football fan.
Well if being a football fan is about being moronic and abusive to a referee doing a job then yes, I'm not a football fan.
No wonder the English don't particularly endear themselves to any other European nation.
PC
DAS - I'm aware it was the ref he was talking about. I just felt it was a stupid and unprofessional question.
It's also sheer unprofessionalism for a national TV journalist to be encouraging his viewers to abuse a referee who was only doing his job. I accept that Chris Moyles on Radio 1 was doing it for a laugh, and that tabloid newspapers are supposed to provide gutter-level journalism, and that supporters will be annoyed (no doubt if it had happened to Scotland I'd be complaining, whether it was a foul or not), but I expect ITN and the BBC to be more professional and objective. As Square Eyes has said (and thank you for reassuring me there are some rational people down there), it's nonsense like this that makes you look stupid, which is hardly fair, because a lot of English people are being tarred with the same brush despite realising that this is all nonsense. Maybe we should send Paul Davies' e-mail address to the ref?
At the end of the day (cliche time) it was a debatable decision. It wasn't conclusive one way or another. I felt it was a foul. The ref felt it was a foul. A hand was clearly on the goalie's shoulder. It could (and has previously) easily have been seen the other way. But it is in no way conclusive (like a certain goal in 1966, dare I say it, which shouldn't have been given? Hey, if it's good enough for the BBC to bring up every five minutes it's recent enough for me to use as an example). There was a debatable decision in extra time when it looked like Portugal had scored, but no goal was given. They didn't whine about it - they ran up the field again and scored within a minute, before TV could even show a replay of the first incident.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but to bring in a foreign example, the Calgary Flames were robbed of ice hockey's Stanley Cup this year. During the last five minutes of a conclusive match in the final, the puck was clearly over the line. The officials had TV evidence to hand but chose not to use it. It was clearly the wrong decision, was conclusive, and they went on to lose. Have their media launched a hate campaign against the officials and the NHL? Of course not. It seems to be an English disease alone I'm afraid. It's a shame - I know a lot of English people who are highly embarassed by the 'journalism' that the national networks have been offering us, and they are suffering from the backlash.
Apparently BBC Scotland has been looking at the coverage from afar and wincing as well. According to the Scottish Daily Record's columnist Bob Shields in tomorrow's paper (got the early edition): "In last week's column I suggested Euro 2004 should be the last major tournament where Scots have to suffer from Three Lions jingoism. I have since heard that BBC Scotland are thinking seriously along these lines for the 2006 World Cup". Hard to see it going ahead without network approval, but a damning indictment of what the BBC's formerly respected football coverage has become.
It's also sheer unprofessionalism for a national TV journalist to be encouraging his viewers to abuse a referee who was only doing his job. I accept that Chris Moyles on Radio 1 was doing it for a laugh, and that tabloid newspapers are supposed to provide gutter-level journalism, and that supporters will be annoyed (no doubt if it had happened to Scotland I'd be complaining, whether it was a foul or not), but I expect ITN and the BBC to be more professional and objective. As Square Eyes has said (and thank you for reassuring me there are some rational people down there), it's nonsense like this that makes you look stupid, which is hardly fair, because a lot of English people are being tarred with the same brush despite realising that this is all nonsense. Maybe we should send Paul Davies' e-mail address to the ref?
At the end of the day (cliche time) it was a debatable decision. It wasn't conclusive one way or another. I felt it was a foul. The ref felt it was a foul. A hand was clearly on the goalie's shoulder. It could (and has previously) easily have been seen the other way. But it is in no way conclusive (like a certain goal in 1966, dare I say it, which shouldn't have been given? Hey, if it's good enough for the BBC to bring up every five minutes it's recent enough for me to use as an example). There was a debatable decision in extra time when it looked like Portugal had scored, but no goal was given. They didn't whine about it - they ran up the field again and scored within a minute, before TV could even show a replay of the first incident.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but to bring in a foreign example, the Calgary Flames were robbed of ice hockey's Stanley Cup this year. During the last five minutes of a conclusive match in the final, the puck was clearly over the line. The officials had TV evidence to hand but chose not to use it. It was clearly the wrong decision, was conclusive, and they went on to lose. Have their media launched a hate campaign against the officials and the NHL? Of course not. It seems to be an English disease alone I'm afraid. It's a shame - I know a lot of English people who are highly embarassed by the 'journalism' that the national networks have been offering us, and they are suffering from the backlash.
Apparently BBC Scotland has been looking at the coverage from afar and wincing as well. According to the Scottish Daily Record's columnist Bob Shields in tomorrow's paper (got the early edition): "In last week's column I suggested Euro 2004 should be the last major tournament where Scots have to suffer from Three Lions jingoism. I have since heard that BBC Scotland are thinking seriously along these lines for the 2006 World Cup". Hard to see it going ahead without network approval, but a damning indictment of what the BBC's formerly respected football coverage has become.
GB
I have a solution, pcuk.
Let Scotland vote for national independence!
Enjoy (ensure?) Dougie Donnelly and Jim Delahunt to your hearts content, plenty more material for 'Only An Excuse?' after all.
This nonsense from Paul Davies won't even be a nine day wonder - you are taking it far too seriously.
England are out, this great tournament goes on, the coverage from the networks will be good and, let's be honest, be better than anything Glasgow/Edinburgh (or Cardiff or Belfast) would have the means to produce for such a big tournament.
Let Scotland vote for national independence!
Enjoy (ensure?) Dougie Donnelly and Jim Delahunt to your hearts content, plenty more material for 'Only An Excuse?' after all.
This nonsense from Paul Davies won't even be a nine day wonder - you are taking it far too seriously.
England are out, this great tournament goes on, the coverage from the networks will be good and, let's be honest, be better than anything Glasgow/Edinburgh (or Cardiff or Belfast) would have the means to produce for such a big tournament.
UB
Well if being a football fan is about being moronic and abusive to a referee doing a job then yes, I'm not a football fan.
No wonder the English don't particularly endear themselves to any other European nation.
If he did his job properly, we wouldn't be abusive.
The Swiss haven't endeared themselves to us, either.
Square Eyes posted:
Uncle Bruce posted:
The last message clearly
not
from a real football fan.
Well if being a football fan is about being moronic and abusive to a referee doing a job then yes, I'm not a football fan.
No wonder the English don't particularly endear themselves to any other European nation.
If he did his job properly, we wouldn't be abusive.
The Swiss haven't endeared themselves to us, either.
PC
Well it seems a bit of an over-reaction to vote for independence simply to avoid Ian Wright (although then again...) Surely the networks should be able to produce programmes which serve all four nations.
I suspect the coverage wouldn't be to the technical standard of that provided by England, but it would at least avoid the rampant bias and sour grapes that we've had over the last few days. Within 15 seconds of the France v Greece game starting last night we were told we were now watching a tournament "sadly deprived of England's participation". After the unbelievable score last night we got analysis of ..... England going out, despite that having been on the news all day.
It can't be that difficult to provide an alternative programme - you've got the Portugese TV feed - all you need to do is Eurosport-style get a studio and analyse the teams playing, rather than making a mountain out of a penalty spot, and I'll be happy.
I'll say it again - I'm not surprised that English supporters are furious right now, even though I think the 'goal' was a foul. If it had happened to Scotland then I'd no doubt be screaming blue murder about it, no matter how many people pointed out to me that there was some contact. But I expect the national broadcasters to be a little bit more professional, and to stop stoking up the bonfire of English paranoia.
Full Daily Record article (which I think goes a wee bit far, to be fair), is here btw: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/columnists/bobshields/tm_objectid=14367172%26method=full%26siteid=89488%26headline=bob%2dshields-name_page.html
(It's at the bottom, bizarrely, despite being the lead in the newspaper edition)
GavBelfast posted:
I have a solution, pcuk.
Let Scotland vote for national independence!
Enjoy (ensure?) Dougie Donnelly and Jim Delahunt to your hearts content, plenty more material for 'Only An Excuse?' after all.
This nonsense from Paul Davies won't even be a nine day wonder - you are taking it far too seriously.
England are out, this great tournament goes on, the coverage from the networks will be good and, let's be honest, be better than anything Glasgow/Edinburgh (or Cardiff or Belfast) would have the means to produce for such a big tournament.
Let Scotland vote for national independence!
Enjoy (ensure?) Dougie Donnelly and Jim Delahunt to your hearts content, plenty more material for 'Only An Excuse?' after all.
This nonsense from Paul Davies won't even be a nine day wonder - you are taking it far too seriously.
England are out, this great tournament goes on, the coverage from the networks will be good and, let's be honest, be better than anything Glasgow/Edinburgh (or Cardiff or Belfast) would have the means to produce for such a big tournament.
Well it seems a bit of an over-reaction to vote for independence simply to avoid Ian Wright (although then again...) Surely the networks should be able to produce programmes which serve all four nations.
I suspect the coverage wouldn't be to the technical standard of that provided by England, but it would at least avoid the rampant bias and sour grapes that we've had over the last few days. Within 15 seconds of the France v Greece game starting last night we were told we were now watching a tournament "sadly deprived of England's participation". After the unbelievable score last night we got analysis of ..... England going out, despite that having been on the news all day.
It can't be that difficult to provide an alternative programme - you've got the Portugese TV feed - all you need to do is Eurosport-style get a studio and analyse the teams playing, rather than making a mountain out of a penalty spot, and I'll be happy.
I'll say it again - I'm not surprised that English supporters are furious right now, even though I think the 'goal' was a foul. If it had happened to Scotland then I'd no doubt be screaming blue murder about it, no matter how many people pointed out to me that there was some contact. But I expect the national broadcasters to be a little bit more professional, and to stop stoking up the bonfire of English paranoia.
Full Daily Record article (which I think goes a wee bit far, to be fair), is here btw: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/columnists/bobshields/tm_objectid=14367172%26method=full%26siteid=89488%26headline=bob%2dshields-name_page.html
(It's at the bottom, bizarrely, despite being the lead in the newspaper edition)
UB
Haha ... I read the following:
"Sore Scots, who can't make finals, gloat over their neighbours' defeat"
Quote:
Full Daily Record article (which I think goes a wee bit far, to be fair), is here btw: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/columnists/bobshields/tm_objectid=14367172%26method=full%26siteid=89488%26headline=bob%2dshields-name_page.html
(It's at the bottom, bizarrely, despite being the lead in the newspaper edition)
(It's at the bottom, bizarrely, despite being the lead in the newspaper edition)
Haha ... I read the following:
"Sore Scots, who can't make finals, gloat over their neighbours' defeat"