MA
Its not that the desks are 'proper', but that they are modified (or custom built) to meet the BBC specification by the manufacturer. Off the shelf desks come the other way round by default.
I'm sure I heard the reason was so if someone fell asleep at the faders, their arms would slump forward and close the channels rather than open them.
It's just more logical that way
If you are mixing a Radio Programme you only have one or two faders open at once. If the faders are near you when they are shut they just get in the way.
AFAIK Bush House studios still have proper BBC style desks, as do many of the studios at Broadcasting House and some of the Sound Gallery's in Television centre.
Mind you Bush house were working with Rotary faders not so very long ago
Marcus
Founding member
Gavin Scott posted:
Marcus posted:
I'm talking about proper Broadcast desks here, where the faders are shut when they are pushed fully away from you.
Its not that the desks are 'proper', but that they are modified (or custom built) to meet the BBC specification by the manufacturer. Off the shelf desks come the other way round by default.
I'm sure I heard the reason was so if someone fell asleep at the faders, their arms would slump forward and close the channels rather than open them.
It's just more logical that way
If you are mixing a Radio Programme you only have one or two faders open at once. If the faders are near you when they are shut they just get in the way.
AFAIK Bush House studios still have proper BBC style desks, as do many of the studios at Broadcasting House and some of the Sound Gallery's in Television centre.
Mind you Bush house were working with Rotary faders not so very long ago
GS
Indeed its not, but there are lots of odd bits of kit and rigging referred to as 'BBC Spec', no matter who is buying. Its usually more expensive too.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
Nick Harvey posted:
It's not just BBC desks that use pull-to-open.
Indeed its not, but there are lots of odd bits of kit and rigging referred to as 'BBC Spec', no matter who is buying. Its usually more expensive too.
AN
andyrew
Founding member
I have to admit, before using a BBC desk I really couldn't see the point of pull-to-open faders. But it didn't take long to get used to it, and as everyone here has testified so far, they're brilliant. It is a shame that desks in the Beeb are being replaced with standard units.
I've not seen a "pull-to-open" desk for years, not since since my stint on local radio a few years ago, playing on a huge great big Audix desk with more clean and cue feeds than you could shake a stick at, and of course the RBX (?) fader to put the other cubicle or source on your desk and then be able to hand control invisibly to the other cub (or they just take it from you!). Studers, carts, grams, CD's, DAT's...... fantastic, those were the days. Only computer we used (apart from ENPS"]BASYS) was a BBC Micro for visual talkback. Think I'd happily give up this TV lark and go back and play radio.
I've not seen a "pull-to-open" desk for years, not since since my stint on local radio a few years ago, playing on a huge great big Audix desk with more clean and cue feeds than you could shake a stick at, and of course the RBX (?) fader to put the other cubicle or source on your desk and then be able to hand control invisibly to the other cub (or they just take it from you!). Studers, carts, grams, CD's, DAT's...... fantastic, those were the days. Only computer we used (apart from ENPS"]BASYS) was a BBC Micro for visual talkback. Think I'd happily give up this TV lark and go back and play radio.
ME
The people I really feel sorry for are those who have to use both pull-to-open and push-to-open desks (such as freelancers working across multiple stations), it would drive me absolutely mad.
I don't think I really care which way they go as long as they all go the same way!
Although I did manage to knock a fader half-shut on a pull-to-open when reaching for water the other day, oops
I don't think I really care which way they go as long as they all go the same way!
Although I did manage to knock a fader half-shut on a pull-to-open when reaching for water the other day, oops
MA
Used to be this way at Broadcasting House when News SM's worked across Radio 5, with push faders and Radio's 1,2 and 4 with pull faders.
Marcus
Founding member
me posted:
The people I really feel sorry for are those who have to use both pull-to-open and push-to-open desks (such as freelancers working across multiple stations), it would drive me absolutely mad.
I don't think I really care which way they go as long as they all go the same way!
Although I did manage to knock a fader half-shut on a pull-to-open when reaching for water the other day, oops
I don't think I really care which way they go as long as they all go the same way!
Although I did manage to knock a fader half-shut on a pull-to-open when reaching for water the other day, oops
Used to be this way at Broadcasting House when News SM's worked across Radio 5, with push faders and Radio's 1,2 and 4 with pull faders.
:-(
A former member
Again, only ever used the Push faders. I'd hate the pull ones, it's just wrong I feel.
ST
Back on the subject of emergency procedures - The Ken Bruce show was interrupted by a fire alarm a couple of weeks ago. An emergency tape was patched to air which was like a 'generic' ken bruce show, which to the untrained ear would be barely discernable. Except maybe due to the fact that there was no news at 11. It was alot like what he does on those new Virgin trains.
I wonder whether each presenter has such a backup?
I wonder whether each presenter has such a backup?
NH
I've always found it odd when people say that in Britain.
I could understand it from an American, but it's a strange comment from anyone brought up in the land of up-for-off and down-for-on light switches.
Think about it, your brain is trained in pull-for-on in this country, from the moment you're tall enough to reach a light switch.
Nick Harvey
Founding member
dvboy posted:
I've only ever used the push kind. Pull faders would just confuse me.
Bob McBignob posted:
Again, only ever used the Push faders. I'd hate the pull ones, it's just wrong I feel.
I've always found it odd when people say that in Britain.
I could understand it from an American, but it's a strange comment from anyone brought up in the land of up-for-off and down-for-on light switches.
Think about it, your brain is trained in pull-for-on in this country, from the moment you're tall enough to reach a light switch.
HC
I've had working practice of both Pull/Push faders, and I much prefer Push desks. It's more logical to bring a fader down, to lower the volume and push up to make it louder...
That said the pull desk faders, had a much more slidey action to them..
Not the greatest addition to a debate I've ever made around here granted, but I thought I'd lob this particular hat in the ring..
That said the pull desk faders, had a much more slidey action to them..
Not the greatest addition to a debate I've ever made around here granted, but I thought I'd lob this particular hat in the ring..