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International News Presentation: Past and Present

(February 2007)

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That must be a nice thing to be woken up by! Especially if you don't live in one of the areas the tsunami warning covers.

AIUI, that "chattering" is actually a data transmission. Provided that people are receiving their local version on NHK, then their TVs shouldn't switch on if a warning doesn't apply to them.


Oh, is NHK regional then, or at leasts regional as far as the "wake up" transmission is concerned? That's interesting, I was under the impression it was a totally national network.
I don't know how the data transmission thing works to power on the TVs, unless the satellite/cable/Japanese version of Freeview receivers can pass it through to the TV, since its probably safe to assume analogue TV isn't a thing now? It sounds like the sort of thing that would have been easy to do on analogue, but complicated on digital?


In Japan - a lot of TVs have integrated satellite and terrestrial tuners (and I think cable) and the required smart card slots. I suspect the TV itself receives the main required channel when it's in standby and will switch on - or if it's set top box based, the TVs switch on when an HDMI signal asserts, or sends a CEC power-on and input switch command, via a given HDMI input (a bit like Sky boxes can switch on a connected TV and switch them to the right input)?
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Money saving is a major factor nowadays.

After RBB announced it was taking over production of ARD-Mittagsmagazin, it was confirmed that they would be changing the weekly cycle of the lunchtime show, with ARD's Mittagsmagazin going out on ZDF-Morgenmagazin weeks and vice-versa.

This was because RBB wanted to use ZDF facilities in Berlin. This would mean they would share the technical resources/staff deployed there for ZDF Morgenmagazin and utilise them for the midday ARD programme and share the costs between the two broadcasters.

Then ZDF announced it was moving its Mittagsmagazin from Mainz to Berlin. They realised it would reduce the number of editorial staff. Instead of there being one editorial team in Berlin for breakfast and one in Mainz for lunch, both working the same week, they could have just the one team in Berlin, working on Morgenmagazin one week and Mittagsmagazin the next.

Incidentally, due to the pandemic, ARD-Mittagsmagazin moved to the RBB-Abendschau studio in order to maintain social distancing.
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My recollection is that they both go out on both channels - ie ARD Morgenmagazin is aired on both ARD and ZDF during the first week, and then ZDF Morgenmagazin is aired on both ARD and ZDF during the second week.



Yes, outside of special events both the Morgen- and Mittagsmagazin go out on both channels, regardless if it's the ARD or ZDF edition.

During special events you even sometimes get the wierd situation that the program made by ARD/ZDF isn't even shown on the respective channel. When for example the Olympics or the World Cup, where ARD and ZDF are sharing the rights, are happening outside Europe it can happen that the ZDF-Mittagsmagazin isn't shown on ZDF and only on Das Erste, because ZDF is showing the sports.


These special arrangements between ARD and ZDF go way back. This is how Timothy Green described them in his 1972 book about television around the world:

"At the Olympics, ARD covers one day's events live, while ZDF has summaries later; next day it is ZDF's turn for the live broadcasts. [...] Apollo moon-shots have been covered alternately; ARD did all the live televising on Apollo 12, ZDF took Apollo 13, ARD Apollo 14. When Apollo 13 ran into difficulties on the way to the moon and made its dramatic return to earth ZDF had the splashdown exclusively, although ARD were permitted to show it later on the regular news."

Who got to cover the most recent millennium? Very Happy
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TheMike
Earlier this month, I shared some rare opening titles from n-tv's early days on air.

They're not so rare anymore. A set of 1993-94 era n-tv titles have been uploaded to YouTube. See how very different titles for each programme fit with the channel's early branding and sound.

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Speaking of n-tv, here's a pre-launch promo for its competitor N24, which launched in early 2000. Note the subtle dig at n-tv in the promo -- and the slogan, "Here we'll spell 'news' with a capital N," a reference to n-tv's lowercase style:

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Historic evening in the Flemish speaking regions of Belgium as Martine Tanghe presented her last 'Het Journaal' on VRT after 42 years.

She ended with the words she's used at the end of most bulletins, 'Thank you for being with us.'

'I will miss you. Keep safe, hold on, and everything will be alright.'

This clip shows her sign-off, and the following broadcast which saw her reunited with her grandson. Hard to imagine any British news presenter getting such a goodbye!



From a branding perspective, VRT still has one of the smartest looks in Europe, IMO!
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'I will miss you. Keep safe, hold on, and everything will be alright.'



And here's me hoping her final words on air would be "You stay classy, Brussels"
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So ARD and ZDF alternate weeks with the breakfast show, each broadcasting under the same name but with a completely different look and style by the looks of it.


Apparently this strange set up dates back to the collapse of the Berlin Wall when the two PSBs launched a lunchtime news service to report on the reunification and did it on an alternating basis for financial reasons.

When they launched a permanent Breakfast service a few years later (after some temporary Gulf War specials that were well received) the same alternating pattern was adopted.



The alternating pattern came a little earlier as part of the "Vormittagsprogramm" ("Pre-Noon Programming").

The joint ARD ZDF Vormittagsprogramm started in 1966. Back then the Vormittagsprogramm was solely aimed at East German shift workers, to provide an alternative to East German TV, and thus was also only broadcast on transmitters that covered the GDR. Before 1966 ARD did it themselves, but the ZDF came in to coproduce mainly because their transmitters didn't cover the GDR as well.

Since 1981 it was broadcast on the whole of West Germany and the focus on serving just East Germany was gradually removed.

The alternting pattern was introduced for the Mittagsmagazin in October 1989, a month before the fall of the wall.

Up until the early 90s ARD and ZDF actually often had a closedown at around 1pm until the evening programming started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM1vqEAIrU
(notice that it's ZDF heute playing, but in the end you get a testcard saying "WDR1")


And until the mid-1990s, ARD's late afternoon and early evening (pre-8pm) programming was regional -- consisting mostly of regional news magazines, cartoons, sitcoms, and other mostly family-friendly programming, all of which differed depending on the ARD broadcaster in question. Here, for instance, is a 1989 continuity announcement from Frankfurt-based HR, serving the Land of Hessen:



This is how these regional programming blocs appeared in German listings magazines; in this case, the lineup is for the West (WDR's service area), but abbreviated listings for neighboring regions are also provided:





These special arrangements between ARD and ZDF go way back. This is how Timothy Green described them in his 1972 book about television around the world:

"At the Olympics, ARD covers one day's events live, while ZDF has summaries later; next day it is ZDF's turn for the live broadcasts. [...] Apollo moon-shots have been covered alternately; ARD did all the live televising on Apollo 12, ZDF took Apollo 13, ARD Apollo 14. When Apollo 13 ran into difficulties on the way to the moon and made its dramatic return to earth ZDF had the splashdown exclusively, although ARD were permitted to show it later on the regular news."


By the way, here is long clip of ARD's Apollo 11 moon landing coverage (produced by Cologne-based WDR):

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Apparently this strange set up dates back to the collapse of the Berlin Wall when the two PSBs launched a lunchtime news service to report on the reunification and did it on an alternating basis for financial reasons.

When they launched a permanent Breakfast service a few years later (after some temporary Gulf War specials that were well received) the same alternating pattern was adopted.



The alternating pattern came a little earlier as part of the "Vormittagsprogramm" ("Pre-Noon Programming").

The joint ARD ZDF Vormittagsprogramm started in 1966. Back then the Vormittagsprogramm was solely aimed at East German shift workers, to provide an alternative to East German TV, and thus was also only broadcast on transmitters that covered the GDR. Before 1966 ARD did it themselves, but the ZDF came in to coproduce mainly because their transmitters didn't cover the GDR as well.

Since 1981 it was broadcast on the whole of West Germany and the focus on serving just East Germany was gradually removed.

The alternting pattern was introduced for the Mittagsmagazin in October 1989, a month before the fall of the wall.

Up until the early 90s ARD and ZDF actually often had a closedown at around 1pm until the evening programming started.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiM1vqEAIrU
(notice that it's ZDF heute playing, but in the end you get a testcard saying "WDR1")


And until the mid-1990s, ARD's late afternoon and early evening (pre-8pm) programming was regional -- consisting mostly of regional news magazines, cartoons, sitcoms, and other mostly family-friendly programming, all of which differed depending on the ARD broadcaster in question. Here, for instance, is a 1989 continuity announcement from Frankfurt-based HR, serving the Land of Hessen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZnx_zd9XZ4

This is how these regional programming blocs appeared in German listings magazines; in this case, the lineup is for the West (WDR's service area), but abbreviated listings for neighboring regions are also provided:





These special arrangements between ARD and ZDF go way back. This is how Timothy Green described them in his 1972 book about television around the world:

"At the Olympics, ARD covers one day's events live, while ZDF has summaries later; next day it is ZDF's turn for the live broadcasts. [...] Apollo moon-shots have been covered alternately; ARD did all the live televising on Apollo 12, ZDF took Apollo 13, ARD Apollo 14. When Apollo 13 ran into difficulties on the way to the moon and made its dramatic return to earth ZDF had the splashdown exclusively, although ARD were permitted to show it later on the regular news."


By the way, here is long clip of ARD's Apollo 11 moon landing coverage (produced by Cologne-based WDR):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDcMyDUdcR0

As far as I know there are no longer any regional programmes on Das Erste isn't it?
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As far as I know there are no longer any regional programmes on Das Erste isn't it?


That's right. Regional programming on ARD's Das Erste was abolished in the mid-1990s and the channel now has a single national lineup. Nowadays, regional programming is only seen on ARD's "third" channels.
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TheMike

As far as I know there are no longer any regional programmes on Das Erste isn't it?


That's right. Regional programming on ARD's Das Erste was abolished in the mid-1990s and the channel now has a single national lineup. Nowadays, regional programming is only seen on ARD's "third" channels.

*Except in Bremen until the beginning of 2005 just ahead of the launch of a new central playout facility in Frankfurt.
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As far as I know there are no longer any regional programmes on Das Erste isn't it?


That's right. Regional programming on ARD's Das Erste was abolished in the mid-1990s and the channel now has a single national lineup. Nowadays, regional programming is only seen on ARD's "third" channels.

*Except in Bremen until the beginning of 2005 just ahead of the launch of a new central playout facility in Frankfurt.

I thought that before 2005 Radio Bremen aired it's programming on NDR's channel....not on Das Erste. Well, what a surprise!

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